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Keydigital card for Pioneer MXE ?

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by steve36, Mar 8, 2003.

  1. steve36

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    Does anyone have any idea when the Keydigital card that was hopefully going to be available from mid-feb is likely to be seen ?

    I was waiting for the Fujitsu P42HHS, but a combination of strange lack of examples to view, and Joes extremely helpful comments have put me off.
    I like many others am looking for the impossible, something to improve the relatively low picture quality from Sky+.

    Steve.
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    Steve,

    I am going to find Joe's post and let folk knwo my own opnions after viewing that model.

    The KeyCard is due to ship 14 dyas after the full scler on which it is based. The scaler was due to ship mid-end feb. So Card should have been end Feb to Mid March. The de-interlaicng and scaling to non standard resolutions delayed the final software release for the main scaler. This is now resolved and the final functionallity is being dealt with. I have just been organsing shipping costs for first lots and it's looking like a few weeks. ie April by time they are here., Sorry. Good news is that they have further improved ClearMatrixPro (the de-interlacing software). The card has chroma filtering as well so the chroma bug should be less visible than normal. I think it's going to someting pretty special when it is here.

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    Gordon,
    Thanks, I was hoping you or Joe would have heard something.
    I was a little surprised when no sign appeared on the american forum regarding this.
    At least I can stop searching until April (ish).
    I know this is purely cosmetic, but with this supply date, I could possibly wait a little longer for a silver bezel MXE. I have been informed that the grey one will not be suitable for our living room.

    Thanks for the info, especially about the chroma filter.

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    Hi,

    I've just noticed on Key Digital's site that the KD-PIO768 card has been reduced back down to it's original price of $1999. It's still a fair old price to pay, but hopefully it will make the Pioneer plasmas "rock" and be well worth the long wait we've had. :smashin: :smashin:

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    Dutch,
    Yes it is expensive, but possibly worth it
    The one warning I would make is don't forget there will be VAT on top of this price, plus possibly european electronic device import duty. So it could be an interesting price.
    Unless I am totally wrong on the import duty, maybe it only affects anything that can be described as a television or video recorder. I hope I'm wrong !
    My final aim must be to ensure I don't end up paying more for this than for the B&O plasma I saw at harrods. Best picture I have ever seen.

    Steve.:)

    edited to remove exaggeration.:smashin:
     
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    I've asked if there is going to be a price drop for distribtion. If there is then there will be a UK retail drop too.

    It's my understanding that there is shipping plus duty plus vat to pay on this piece....at least that's what I have to pay!

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    Hi Gordon,

    I got my MXE off of Joe & well before xmas discussed with him the possibility of the new Key Digital card etc.
    Probably will do again nearer the time in April !

    I know you are the distributor & have an excellent reputation as does Joe & you are obviously not going to look to sell anything unless it's of good quality etc.

    However whilst I appreciate that you have specialised equipment to measure performance etc a lot of things are subjective to ones own naked eye in terms of what one prefers.You only have to look at the opinions on these forums to know that as well as ones own life experiences !

    I'm sure I'm not the first or last to ask but would you expect to see a significent improvement in PQ & scaling etc just on DVD & or Sky as well ? I've got a Tag & as you know will only output on NTSC on the MXE.Even then quite frankly the picture jerks around on occassions to the exent that I don't watch any using the DVI connection.I can see that there would be an improvement if everthing was working correctly.

    Whatever way you look at it this would still be a large investment
    even compared with the inital outlay and whilst I've seen & printed the specs that is not even half the story.Obviously the PQ is the reality etc.

    Therefore have you actually seen the final version in action etc & from your subjective but experienced opinion will there be a significant to good improvement on
    a) DVD play & b) Sky.

    Your thoughts opinions would be appreciated.

    Many thanks

    Mart
     
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    Mart: Thanks for the interest in this product and for the questions.

    I have not seen the card working. I have seen the scaler on which it is based working on LCD and plasma displays though (but not a Pioneer). So no-one can answer the questions about performance with Pioneers yet.

    I can tell you that when I spoke with the designer,Mike Tsinberg, I asked him about the issues other manufacturers have with the refresh rate required for Pioneer plasma's and how these cause the stuttering that is widely reported. I cannot tell you his answer in full but I can say that he gave me great confidence that things will work out.

    You have a DVD 32r with de-interlacer built in. Feeidng this to the DVI of the card may or may not result in optimum picture quality. I say this because I felt the video de-interlacing of clearmatrix (the original version of the algorithmthat will be used in the HD-Leeza and card) was superior to that of the SILchipset TAG use. ClearMatrix Pro is supposed to be better still so we MUST wait and see what prevails.

    Joe will have one of the first demo units in the UK. I fully intend to borrow a DVD 32r (with De-interlacer) to check compatability as well as giving it a thorough grilling with Sky. Once I've seen it I'll know more.

    I understand this is lot of money but I fully expect this to be the highest picture quality achievable with a Pioneer plasma display.

    Gordon
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    Re Sky. TV programmes in UK are often recorded on film camera's and telecined to video for playback, just like films on DVD. The Pioneer 5002 card does not have 2:2 Ffilm detection so cannot correctly reconstitute this material without artifacts. This coupled with superior video source de-interlacing leads me to believe that there should be an obvious improvement in the majority of programming from Sky or terrestrial TV.
     
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    Gordon,

    Thanks for the reply.

    For what it is worth I have the front loader but presume the same issues apply?

    Obviously when you get the chance to play I'll be more than interested in your thoughts & findings in relation to the points covered & even if improved performance without the DVI etc ?

    Cheers

    Mart
     
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    Can anyone tell me (Gordon maybe) how I would connect a Sky digibox and a DVD with component to this KD card. The website says it has 2 component inputs :smashin: , but it says one is for SD and one for HD :( .

    Can the HD one only be used for HD or can I connect up 2 SD sources to this card on component?

    any help appreciated
     
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    :confused:

    Can anyone tell me (Gordon maybe) how I would connect a Sky digibox and a DVD with component to this KD card. The website says it has 2 component inputs :smashin: , but it says one is for SD and one for HD :( .

    Can the HD one only be used for HD or can I connect up 2 SD sources to this card on component?

    any help appreciated
     
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    Woke up to the new distributor pricing email....so working out new UK retail over breakfast..

    HD component can accept SD or HD.
    SD component can pnly accept SD

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    New Suggested RP for UK is £1775
    This is...suggested. You can of course speak directly with your preffered dealer for advise or to order the product.

    Dealers at present are

    Ivojo, B4, PJ-HiFi, CinemaExperience (ERIC), Convergent (me),CRTProjectors.co.uk and of course The Media Factory (Joe Fernand)

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    Hi Gordon,

    Do you have any more info on the SDI to DVI adapter which you previously wrote to me about? This would be a superb addition to allow me to get the best possible picture from my (rather expensive :blush: ) modded Pioneer 757Ai. Thanks.

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    There are no technical details on this at present. When I know I will post on the forum.

    Thanks,

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    Hi Gordon,

    Thanks for that. Let's hope they can get one released as soon as possible. One other question for you though!

    The KD site still states that the card will include "audio progagation delay compensation" but I can't see any audio (PCM or analogue) inputs on this new revised card. Do you have any info on this? Thanks again for any help with this.

    Steve
     
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    The analogue and PCM audio inputs and outputs are on the multi-pin socket at opposite end from DVI's (done to save space on panel). I will be looking in to the configurations when I have a device.

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    Thanks, Gordon!
    I just wish KD would update their site with some decent-sized pictures of the new card and get rid of the stuff which refers to the "mark 1" card. It shouldn't be that difficult to do.

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