My ears are telling me they sound amazing, but I was upgrading from an amp and speakers that cost less than a quarter of what this current combo cost me, so I was always going to hear a substantial improvement in sound regardless of how good this pairing actually is. As I live in a flat, I can't play music at loud volumes, but the amp sounds fine to me at the loudest I would ever play it. But another thing others were complaining about is that is doesn't sound quite right at low volumes, which again, I don't quite get as it sounds fine to me. This whole audiophile thing had been a bit of a shock to me, as I never realised just how much a decent upgrade can enhance your listening pleasure, and there are times when the sound makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end. But some people are saying that this combo doesn't quite cut the mustard, and even though I am loving the sound, when I'm having a good time, I want to be having a better time, so if I could justify the expense, I would happily pay more for a better amp, but on the other hand, if I forked out an extra grand or so for a more expensive amp and couldn't hear much of a difference, I would be a bit miffed.At the end of the day, what are your ears telling you?
Does the amplifier sound strained, distorted or thin at high volumes? Is it getting hot or going into protect?
If the character of the sound doesn't change when you push the volume a little, then you really shouldn't worry too much.
You may find that as the Audiolab is quite a neutral sounding amp, some people may mistake this for lack of power, but in fact, it's just not adding a bit of low end weight and warmth that some other designs tend to, that's all.
I do have headphones, but I rarely need them as I prefer listening to music at moderate levels anyway, and certainly can't listen to excessively loud music at any time of the day because of where I live. If the only issue with this pairing is that it is going to sound bad at high volumes, then there really is no point in me upgrading for the sake of something I am not going to need. It is only because I am so blown away by how good the sound is compared to the very cheap amp and speakers I upgraded from, that I am wondering how much better it will sound with a better amp, when others are saying my speakers could sound so much better if I upgraded.For late night music listening where neighbours are concerned have you thought about headphones, they can solve a lot of problems.
It was actually the Audiolab 8300a that I had my eye on because I really do like the 6000a sound signature, indeed, it absolutely transformed the sound of My Kef Cresta 2 speakers before I upgraded. But as I've said, I only play music at moderate volumes, so I suspect that is why I have not found the same cause for complaint as others have. So as I am only needing this amp for playing at moderate volumes, is the 6000a's lack of power really likely to be a problem for me?As i mentioned on the "other post" but i'll try and break it down a bit better to explain how i made my answer
Audiolab is quite a flat neutral sounding amp. I don't like the 6000A's power spec to be honest.. listing as "maximum power" 50w/8ohm and 75w/4ohm .. having a "claimed" rating in your official spec is not particularly convincing in my book and would definitely put me to look at a much more powerful amp (or better specced one with actual rms power at 20-20kHz both channels driven)
Does it has the power.. yeap JUST.. Does it has the current.. nope.. it relies heavily on a big capacitor bank to take the strain off of the amplifer circuit for the lower bass notes...
but more importantly i find it just lacks the tonal sound to suit the LS50 range... the 6000A has a very "dry" sound to it...
The other thing to remember here is speaker impedance..The LS50 Meta will drop to 3 Ohms... not 4... 3.. not many amps can handle that low a resistance on a speaker. 4 is a tough load anyway.. but sub 4ohms really takes alot out of an amp
It will drive the Metas for sure.. but not very well at high volume/power. It will distort and run out of steam pretty quick
You would really need something tonally a bit darker or better voicing really to get the best out of the Metas .. as i noted.. rega / musical fidelity
If you like the sound of your current Audiolab but want that higher volume a more powerful Audiolab series or pre/power combo would be in order
The 8300A is obviously a better animal then the 6000A ... not too impressed by 15A current delivery though.. still relying heavily on those capacitor banks with that. You are gaining power which is good 75w/8 and 105 into 4...It was actually the Audiolab 8300a that I had my eye on because I really do like the 6000a sound signature, indeed, it absolutely transformed the sound of My Kef Cresta 2 speakers before I upgraded. But as I've said, I only play music at moderate volumes, so I suspect that is why I have not found the same cause for complaint as others have. So as I am only needing this amp for playing at moderate volumes, is the 6000a's lack of power really likely to be a problem for me?
Well the specs of the Tucana II certainly point to an amp that will grab any speakers by the scruff of the neck. Obviously haven't heard it for myself though.Has anyone considered or audtioned KEF LS50 META with LEEMA ACOUSTICS TUCANA II ANNIVERSARY EDITION AMPLIFIER?
Would that be a good match....?
Has anyone considered or audtioned KEF LS50 META with LEEMA ACOUSTICS TUCANA II ANNIVERSARY EDITION AMPLIFIER?
Would that be a good match....?
I'm currently using the coaxial digital input running from an old M-audio sound card on my pc. Yes, I do have pretty good acoustics in my lounge. It is fully carpeted which I think makes a huge difference. You are however, not the only person who has remarked that they found this combo unsatisfactory. There were a few comments on some YouTube reviews of the Metas that were saying something similar. One did ask whether the speakers needed breaking in, which they most certainly do, indeed I think if anything, the 200 hours of recommended break in is an underestimate. When I started this journey, I never anticipated that I would be willing to spend as much as I did, but now I have a taste for this and am hearing others saying that the Metas could sound much better with a more expensive amp, I really am considering spending what I would previously have considered crazy money on an amp that could get much more out of them. I'm having an absolute love affair with the Metas as they not only sound beautiful, they look beautiful, and I want to give them the very best. One amp I have got my eye on is the Exposure 2510 amp, which was recently reviewed on the British Audiophile YouTube channel who said it was hands down the finest sounding amp he had ever heard at this price range with the price being nearly £1600. I have a pretty decent separate DAC, so I'm OK there, but the thing that worries me is that I might spend the money and not hear much of a difference. I'm left with that ago old question, at what point does the improvement in sound diminish to the point where the price can no longer justify it, and I have yet to come across any audiophile who has a totally satisfactory answer to that question.Hi there @Kris49 I was the OP on the "other thread".
I certainly don't think it's a "bad" combo and if you're enjoying it then that's all that matters.
Don't forget, your room is probably very different to mine - mine is a very long way from ideal. Also, you may have better hearing at the low bass frequencies that I find a little lacking (at low volumes). Out of interest, what source are you using? I'm using a Sonos Port into the DAC on the 6000A.
Also, frame of reference is hugely important. I grew up with what would now be considered a "vintage" HiFi in the house. This included a powerful amp and big speakers. It had (in fact it still does!!!) a huge, weighty, meat-on-the-bones type of sound. Sadly I don't have the space for a similar set of speakers in my house.
I hope my own quest for "more" hasn't spoiled your enjoyment. I'm told by dealers that the LS50 will continue to show improvements even with £30,000 amps, it's that transparent. Be careful of peering into the rabbit hole though. In £100 increments you can justify a vast range of options.
With today's electronics.. they are alot more sterile and clinical than hifi of old.. some hifi is still genre suited (ie b&o is still suited better for classical/jazz than pop... denon is more suited for pop than any other genre) so getting the right combo can be a bit trickier.Thanks everyone for all the replies. Your comments have been most helpful.
Most dealers are entirely sympathetic to that. Any good one would be more than happy demonstrate a bunch of amps plugged into your speakers. Home trials for a healthy deposit are also possible.but the thing that worries me is that I might spend the money and not hear much of a difference.
A colleague at work has spent tens and tens of thousands over the years. However he's well paid, isn't into cars or boats, has grown up children, and has never been divorced.I'm left with that ago old question, at what point does the improvement in sound diminish to the point where the price can no longer justify it, and I have yet to come across any audiophile who has a totally satisfactory answer to that question.
I think people read all the positive reviews and forget that they’re still small bookshelf speakers and as such will suffer from the same issues small speakers have(can’t play very loud, lacks bass, etc...)On the other hand why are so many people buying the LS50 Kef speaker variants and then blaming other parts of the system for below par sound? There are lots of great speakers out there, not just Kef.
On the other hand why are so many people buying the LS50 Kef speaker variants and then blaming other parts of the system for below par sound? There are lots of great speakers out there, not just Kef.