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Kef KHT2005: I thought Resale Price Maintenance was illegal....

Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by ajb, Sep 17, 2001.

  1. ajb

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    I would dearly like to buy the Kef KHT2005 home cinema sub/sat speaker package.

    However, how is it the case that:

    1. I cannot buy these speakers mail order

    2. The price is "fixed" at £800?

    Perhaps you guys can shed some light on this, and if miracles still happen in today's world, perhaps someone could tell me where I can get them for less than £800!

    Andrew
     
  2. johnson

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    If you mail me I'll tell you where I got mine mail order for 640
     
  3. Ian J

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    I have a look at some USA dealer web sites and it is even more expensive over there so no savings to be made in that direction.

    Unusual as even UK stuff is cheaper in USA.

    The KEF kit came out too late for me as I had already bought Definitive Technology Pro Cinema speakers which received a good rating from the mags last year.

    Regards

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  4. Dan_BlitzedS14

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    I wouldn't worry Ian, the Def Tech's sound better than the Kef's anyway.
     
  5. ajb

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    Johnson

    Will you let me know the mystery details? I have found them for £640, but I have to travel to collect! If I could be arsed I think I would consider taking KEF to court on this... even to a trainee lawyer (like me) this seems a pretty concrete competition case.

    ICQ: 121932674<br />email: a_j_b@postmaster.co.uk

    Or, PM me back on here?

    Regards<br />Andrew
     
  6. johnson

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    I think Kef just don't want any damage due to transport.when i received mine the boxes were a bit beaten up.I think they're just trying to avoid this.<br />I didn't openly say where I got mine from because I didn't want to get the supplier in trouble with Kef,They were the only people willing to post.<br />E- mail me and I'll tell you.
     
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    Mail me with your Email adress,as I cant seem to reply to these auto route bb posts.
     
  8. ajb

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    I'd love to email you to find out, but I'm not having much luck with finding your email address!

    My email is a_j_b@postmaster.co.uk or see above!

    Regards<br />Andrew

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  9. TR4@afordham.freeserve.co

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    I see that Vickers in York (see web) are selling for £675 but I think you've got to call in for this deal.

    I paid out the extortionate £800 for mine from 7 oaks.
     
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    AJB

    KEF's 'official' policy, rightly or wrongly, is not to allow dealers to sell mail order to prevent the dealers competing against each other.
     
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    Hi Guys,

    Just to defend our position on why we do not encourage mail order on our products.<br />We sell to a network of dealers nationwide, some of which are part of large chains and some are small independents. The larger stores are able to buy for a better price due to purchasing power whereas the independents have to pay more due to the smaller order quantities.<br />So, by getting all dealers to sign a dealer agreement of which they all agree NOT to send product via mail order, everyone can benefit from being competitive on pricing. <br />We only give a MSRP when to guide product pricing, if a dealer wishes to sell for a lot less then fine, he is the only one losing out. Generally every dealer will hold onto the MSRP as it is the fairest way to trade.

    Sorry if this is not to your liking, we are merely trying to support the smaller hard working dealers that sometimes struggle against the larger chains.

    Best Regards

    Ron Locke

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    A lot of manufacturers have the same policy.
    If we generally agree that the best way to purchase speakers is to audition them to find out which ones suit us best, then we need dealers to be able to dem them.
    And if dealers must be able to dem them, then they must pay for the facilities to do so.
    Something mailorder companies don't need to do and therefore can charge less.
    Some people like to audition and then buy mailorder, thereby using the services of the dealer with the shop for no financial reward for that dealer. Is this fair?
    Manufacturers have a very good point in diallowing mailorder.
    On the other hand, the one and only time I got a demo of something was the REL Q bass at Sevenoaks in Birmingham and they didn't know how to set it up, so it was literally worse than useless.
    It wasn't until I tried it at home and set it up properly that I realised it's potential.
    And everyone wants to fel like their getting good value for money. Even if the product is astonishing, people still like to have some kind of discount.
    On top of that we have the 'rip-off Britain' argument that products are artificially expensive.
    And most people in the UK have to be frugal. And are wise to purchase having done some research. That's what the magazines and this site are all about. That in itself means people are acutely aware of prices.
    I see both sides of the argument and I see no solution :(
     
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    I suppose it does avoid the 'I'll get you to demo it and then find it cheaper on the net.' which seems far too common.

    If a company can be bothered to set it up and dem it I generally reall obliged to buy it from them. Unless they have proven to be goons.

    Something I haven't demoed I will get from the cheapest source
     
  14. dbloor

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    May I repeat a point made in an earlier thread on a different board.

    TV 2000 quid from dealer vs 1600 on web<br />DVD 600 vs 450<br />Receiver 800 vs 600<br />Speakers 800 vs 600

    So that makes a total difference of 950 quid.<br />Hands up who thinks this is a fair price for a couple of hours of a dealers time demo-ing stuff to me.

    I'm not saying that I don't expect to pay a premium for buying face to face but over the total cost of my home cinema it does grate more than a little.<br />Not as much as the patronising and shocked reaction I get when I ask for a discount though.......

    Who's kidding who?

    Cheers<br />d
     
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    Thouhgt I'd lighten this thread a little....<br />When I was over in the US with a colleague we both wanted to go buy a digital camera. So, we headed off to the equivalent of Tottenham Court Rd.

    Eventually we found what we were after and asked the shop owner of it'd be cheaper buying two. His reply,

    "No, it'll be twice as much"......

    Well, I thought it was funny!
     
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    Well done to the man from Kef for stepping in and explaining the situation, it saved me a job (FYI, I was gonna show this to Simon B in Essex).

    Fair point above, £950 is a lot of cash. Apart from the demonstration, you also need to look at the service aspect that a dealer might/should provide.

    For instance, will they deliver the goods to you and set the system up? My experience tells me that a cheap(er) system can sound better than a more expensive system (to an extent obviously) if it is set up and callibrated correctly.

    Also, if something goes wrong with a component, how will you have it repaired/replaced?? Again, a dealer who has installed the item for you, may come out to you and check it to see exactly what the problem is and make sure it's not just something silly. This is especially important in the case of AV amps, where you would have to disconnect everything from the back in order to take it back. If you purchased the item mail order, who pays for it to go back?? I certainly wouldn't want to foot the cost of sending a Denon 1SE through the post, it weighs 33kg (most couriers won't take over 30kg due to health and safety rules and regs) and you would surely have to pay extra to insure it, wouldn't you, or take the risk??? I don't think so.

    Also, some dealers will offer you an extra year or so guarantee, free of charge.

    It's up to you to decide how much all this is worth. If you have no problems with any of the products you purchase, then it could be considered a waste, just like an extended warranty in this situation. But the peace of mind was always there! If you are unlucky enough to have a problem or problems with your purchase, then a dealer SHOULD help you out. This is especially important if the dealer is an "authorised dealer" and so will be able to get the full backing of the manufacturer concerned to resolve the situation quicky.

    I think that'll do. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
     

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