KEF’s HTB2 subwoofer

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  1. Zootop

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    KEF’s HTB2 subwoofer has been voted product of the year ! Who's got one and what do you think ? The reason I ask is I've just bought a PSW2500 although it hasn't arrived but if this one is so much better I may get this instead.

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    Did you listen to the PSW2500 before you bought it?

    As with any major audio component you should always get a comparative demonstration before purchasing. This will allow you to make an informed decision and not rely on the rather dubious magazine reviews.
     
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    No I didn't, I just bought it because it matches the restof my iQ system and it seems to have had some fairly decent reviews for the price, got it for a good price I thought of £250, have you had the chance to compare the two in your shop then ?
     
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    Yes, the HTB2 Subwoofer is a lot better than the PSW2500. However I would also consider the alternatives from subwoofer specialists such as REL etc.
     
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    Is it £250 worth better ? The only place I can find it for sale on it's own is creative audio at £499. If I had the space (and the money) I'd probably be buying an SVS PB12+.
     
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    If you want cheap then buy cheap. If you want to compare and demonstrate several subwoofers in a dealer's demo room or even at home then you cannot expect to get internet prices.

    You can obviously go either way on this one, but I would always want to listen to a product before buying. Only you can decide if it's £250 better after you've listened to it. As for it's availability, any Kef dealer can supply them on their own. The list price for it is £500.
     
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    question for crusty?

    Have you ever compared the htb2 to a bk xls200?
     
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    diggler46, you could have answered that question for yourself by now.;)

    It's always worth noting that unless the dealers demo room is the same size, proportions, physical makeup and layout as your own, then you won't have done much more than demo his room. As the wavelengths of bass emitted by subwoofers share similar dimensions to those of typical rooms, their performance is very much related to the room they're in and the layout of it.

    In my room, I could give you an entirely different bass experience to mine, by sitting you two feet to my left. Change every aspect of the room and I'm not sure what you can tell.

    As such, I wouldn't get too hung up on demoing a sub unless it's a home demo.

    For instance, a sub that suffers from power compression and high distortion will continue to do so whatever room it is in. It is extremely unlikely that there will be some magical transformation of a subs measured performance once placed in a front room. Sure, room gain and boundary reinforcement will prop up the performance and, if understood, used to enhance the performance of any sub, but the better performing sub will benefit also and maintain it's advantage.

    So, demo in a dealers room by all means, but always bear in mind that that unless the dealer has demoed each sub in it's strongest position in that room (or even knows where that is), you're still only demoing a sub in that room.

    I would add that this is a strong endorsement of becoming a dedicated customer of a particular dealer. Not only will it result in trust that will get you the necessary home demos, but you will, with experience gain familiarity with the dealers room. It's a similar thing, but I've heard enough differing kit in AngelEyes room that I can now develop an idea of what I might expect when I get the same piece of kit in my room.

    I would add that given enough info, there are people on this forum that can make informed recommendations with a degree of indepedence. Unless a dealer knows your room, then he is no better placed to make a recommendation for you than anybody else who can interpret the growing body of independent online resources.

    These resources are worth taking the time to understand. Doing so will increase your understanding (and independence) and result in a better performance in your room which, at the end of the day, is all that matters.

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    I could, but I could of also been £289 out of pocket if it was no better...

    I'm not that clinical in terms of audio that I want the absolute best sound, I'm just trying to get a straight answer as to weather the xls200 is a big improvement on the htb2 in tests etc? I know room size and everything has to be taken into consideration but I just mean in general really.

    A couple of reviews from people I wouldn't really rate (cnet) have said the htb2 is excellent, where as quite a few others and people on here have said that the htb2 is a bit pants. Is the htb2se better than the htb2?

    P.S you get absolutely everywhere.....:) Even on other forums, was reading last night and on virtually every sub forum you feature, hehe...
     
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    You should also be aware that Kef have discontinued the PSW subwoofer range in favour of the digital sub range which at the moment consists only of the HTB2SE and the Kube One at the lower end.

    The HTB2 SE is far superior to the PSW2500 and is better than the PSW3500

    http://www.quantumelectronics.co.uk/acatalog/kef_htb2_subwoofer.html
     
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    Is it far superior to the htb2 as well though?
     
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    It's an improvement.

    How far is far superior is another matter!
     
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    damn, I notice creative audio are now doing the 5005.2's with the htb2se..:(
     
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    Given that manufacturers specs tend to be wild at worst and nearly honest at best, then I'd take a very long hard look at the BK XLS-300/PR at £50 less than the HT2B.

    KEF can make it an SE and gold plate it if they want to, but a quoted bottom end of 30Hz is hardly impressive whether they're being creative with the specs or not.

    The HT2B is a very cute piece of design, but even KEF can't defeat the laws of physics. A box with a larger internal volume will naturally go deeper and cleaner for the same power. That the BK has nearly double the volume AND 50% more power tells you all you need to know unless you really need a pretty looking sub and need to spend another £50.

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