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Which option would you prefer?

  • Leave with no deal

    Votes: 122 74.4%
  • Leave with the WA without the backstop

    Votes: 42 25.6%

  • Total voters
    164
  • Poll closed .

jouster

Moderator
JC is looking pitiful on the live debate
 

philbot

Well-known Member
Wasn't worth watching. Boris was like a stuck record and when JC said he's hold another referendum and abide by the results I nearly choked. JC is one stroke away from retirement.
 

Pacifico

Distinguished Member
Pretty sad that here we are 3 weeks away from a GE and over 3 years after the referendum and JC still cant say whether he wants to leave the EU or not.

Rather like all those years when he repeatedly wouldnt condemn the IRA..
 

Sonic67

Distinguished Member

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japanese Economy Minister Yasutoshi Nishimura said on Wednesday that he hoped Britain would join the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), an 11-member free trade agreement, after it leaves the European Union.

Nishimura told reporters at the Japan National Press Club that negotiations about Britain’s entry into the free trade bloc can’t really take place as long as it remains an EU member.
 

Bl4ckGryph0n

Distinguished Member

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japanese Economy Minister Yasutoshi Nishimura said on Wednesday that he hoped Britain would join the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), an 11-member free trade agreement, after it leaves the European Union.

Nishimura told reporters at the Japan National Press Club that negotiations about Britain’s entry into the free trade bloc can’t really take place as long as it remains an EU member.
The world is full of opportunity :)
 

Panavision

Well-known Member

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japanese Economy Minister Yasutoshi Nishimura said on Wednesday that he hoped Britain would join the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), an 11-member free trade agreement, after it leaves the European Union.

Nishimura told reporters at the Japan National Press Club that negotiations about Britain’s entry into the free trade bloc can’t really take place as long as it remains an EU member.
Looking forward to the new opportunities.

Let's see what's in the fine print. Joining the TPP might stop us from doing certain things on trade with other countries.
 

SteakAndCake

Distinguished Member
Brexit is a pure extreme leftist thing. Period.
Happy to hear the other side, but I perceive Brexit as more clearly in line with right wing ideals.

Principally the idea that government should be small and stay out of people's lives. Leaving the EU reduces the sizes of the overall bureaucratic state.

Second, controlling immigration and nationalism tend to be ideas that resonate more with the right and both of these sit at the heart of Brexit both politically and culturally now.
 

Aj33

Well-known Member
Happy to hear the other side, but I perceive Brexit as more clearly in line with right wing ideals.

Principally the idea that government should be small and stay out of people's lives. Leaving the EU reduces the sizes of the overall bureaucratic state.

Second, controlling immigration and nationalism tend to be ideas that resonate more with the right and both of these sit at the heart of Brexit both politically and culturally now.
might want to let know 5 million labour voters know they are right wing :rotfl:
 

Sonic67

Distinguished Member
Happy to hear the other side, but I perceive Brexit as more clearly in line with right wing ideals.

Principally the idea that government should be small and stay out of people's lives. Leaving the EU reduces the sizes of the overall bureaucratic state.

Second, controlling immigration and nationalism tend to be ideas that resonate more with the right and both of these sit at the heart of Brexit both politically and culturally now.
Tony Benn and his opposition to the EU means he's right wing now?
He claimed the EEC was "bureaucratic and centralised" and "of course it is really dominated by Germany.

In 1980 he claimed that within weeks of a Labour Government all powers from Brussels would be returned to Westminster.

In September 2007 Benn called for the government to hold a referendum on the EU Reform Treaty.


The European Union is a capitalist club that makes it easy for multi-national companies to exploit workers throughout its member states, while the sovereignty of those states is increasingly meaningless, and we are all at the mercy of a vast, faceless bureaucracy.


Its parliamentary supporters are a mixture of the Labour left, who regard the EU as a capitalist club, and the Labour right, who lament its erosion of national sovereignty. Here's the full list: Ronnie Campbell, Rosie Cooper, John Cryer, Ian Davidson, Jim Dowd, Natascha Engel, Frank Field, Roger Godsiff, Kate Hoey, Kelvin Hopkins, John McDonnell, Austin Mitchell, Grahame Morris, Graham Stringer, Keith Vaz.
 

IronGiant

Moderator
Happy to hear the other side, but I perceive Brexit as more clearly in line with right wing ideals.
Rightly or wrongly it is often portrayed that way (right wing), especially by those on the remain side ;). But I agree with you, this is the first time I have seen it presented as a left wing endeavour.
 

Aj33

Well-known Member
Rightly or wrongly it is often portrayed that way (right wing), especially by those on the remain side ;). But I agree with you, this is the first time I have seen it presented as a left wing endeavour.
it would appear to be devoid of left or right but an issue with how you see the world beyond left and right and what level of “risk” people perceive. Remainers from what I can tell are cautions individuals on the whole.
 

Pacifico

Distinguished Member
Rightly or wrongly it is often portrayed that way (right wing), especially by those on the remain side ;). But I agree with you, this is the first time I have seen it presented as a left wing endeavor.
There is only one major Party who have ever advocated leaving the EU and that was Labour when they were going through their extreme left-wing phase in the 80's
 

IronGiant

Moderator
What about the Conservatives and the Labour Party in 2017? IIRC they both did.
 

imightbewrong

Distinguished Member
Aren't the Conservatives advocating leaving right now?
 

IronGiant

Moderator
Pacifico is in the States ( :rotfl:) perhaps he's having problems with keeping up with UK politics :devil:
 

imightbewrong

Distinguished Member
Pacifico is in the States ( :rotfl:) perhaps he's having problems with keeping up with UK politics :devil:
Ah right - to be fair is probably hard to summon the motivation to keep up if you aren't affected by the outcome.
 

imightbewrong

Distinguished Member
Correct - but there is a difference between agreeing to uphold the result of a referendum and having that as a party policy because you are ideologically opposed to membership.
So you are saying the current Conservative party aren't idealogically opposed to membership and the leadership haven't for example formerly campaigned to leave?
 

Pacifico

Distinguished Member
So you are saying the current Conservative party aren't idealogically opposed to membership and the leadership haven't for example formerly campaigned to leave?
I have already said that the party has changed its position to comply with the wishes of electorate. As for being ideologically opposed I doubt that has changed much as the Party membership hasn't changed a lot.

I would point out that only 138 Tory MP's supported leave in the Referendum out of a total of 330.
 

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