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Which option would you prefer?

  • Leave with no deal

    Votes: 122 74.4%
  • Leave with the WA without the backstop

    Votes: 42 25.6%

  • Total voters
    164
  • Poll closed .

LM1405

Well-known Member
MAY being the opperative word.....

It never ceases to make me chuckle that the brexit extermists on here that constantly bump their gums about events post the 2016 vote being undemocratic then come away with verbal diarrhoea like you just did :laugh:
Verbal diarrhoea? That's rich coming from the bloke who thinks Scotland pays its way & dismisses the GERS figures produced by the Scottish government showing it doesn't.
 

mcbainne

Well-known Member
Verbal diarrhoea? That's rich coming from the bloke who thinks Scotland pays its way & dismisses the GERS figures produced by the Scottish government showing it doesn't.
With any luck it's SNP votes that eventually leads to revoking article 50, i have a keyboard full of 'humbugs' for you :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
I think a few on this sub-forum were worried that the EU might not grant an extension to the Article 50 process if one was requested. Thankfully Juncker has put our minds to rest on this matter and confirmed the EU is willing to grant an extension:
 

LM1405

Well-known Member
With any luck it's SNP votes that eventually leads to revoking article 50, i have a keyboard full of 'humbugs' for you :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
No chance of revoking A50. Quicker Scotland leave the better then when taxes rise and you's no longer get stuff for free you might realise how much Scotland depends on England. I have a box of flags and bunting ready to put up when Scotland does leave. Good for you.
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
Has won and winning are two entirely different things. He's never going to be PM, ever.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.

If the BJ deal turns out to be a non starter, then the chances go up significantly.

Either way, I get the feeling that the cost of voting for the deal will take the form of a confirmation referendum, which might end up with remain.

In this scenario, you might see the Tories torn to shreds in the subsequent GE, leaving JC to come in the back door.

2/1 is the current betting on JC being PM.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
Really? You think an independent Scotland will be a failure?
o_O I don't see why you would think that. I think there would be challenges but, especially if Scotland rejoined the EU, it would probably prosper. We don't know - I am just surprised someone has got bunting and flags ready to celebrate the demise of the UK. After all the shared history I think separation would be quite a sad day.
 

LM1405

Well-known Member
Really? You are planning to celebrate the failure of the UK state?
If the Scots want their independence let them have it. The might have to act like adults and live in the real world. Yes I will celebrate, its not a failure of the UK state.
 

EarthRod

Distinguished Member
o_O I don't see why you would think that. I think there would be challenges but, especially if Scotland rejoined the EU, it would probably prosper. We don't know - I am just surprised someone has got bunting and flags ready to celebrate the demise of the UK. After all the shared history I think separation would be quite a sad day.
I note you have changed the wording from 'failure' to 'demise'.

Seriously, I agree separation will be a sad event. However if that is what the majority of Scottish people want, then fair enough.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
Yes I will celebrate, its not a failure of the UK state.
Of course Scotland leaving would be a failure of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. At the very least there would be some renaming to be done by rUK and a division of assets.

Don't get me wrong, I fully understand why Scotland wants independence especially given this Brexit saga, but I don't think it would a matter for rUK to celebrate.
 
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LM1405

Well-known Member
Of course Scotland leaving would be a failure of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. At the very least there would be some renaming to be done by rUK and a division of assets.

Don't get me wrong, I fully understand why Scotland wants independence especially given this Brexit saga, but I don't think it would a matter for rUK to celebrate.
It would not be a failure at all. Division of assets? Scotland run a massive deficit, how about they take their share of the deficit.

As for Scotland joining the EU, their deficit is 3 times higher than that allowed though knowing the EU they will cook the books like they did with Greece.

The rUK would move all jobs out of Scotland etc, lets see them prosper when when they have to raise taxes etc and scrap everything they currently get for free.
 

chopples

Well-known Member
It would not be a failure at all. Division of assets? Scotland run a massive deficit, how about they take their share of the deficit.

As for Scotland joining the EU, their deficit is 3 times higher than that allowed though knowing the EU they will cook the books like they did with Greece.

The rUK would move all jobs out of Scotland etc, lets see them prosper when when they have to raise taxes etc and scrap everything they currently get for free.
Hi mate

Where do you live?
 

Bigfingers

Distinguished Member
Scotland would have to adopt the Euro without doubt, they will not keep the Scottish pound. They will be another bail out country added to the chain around France and Germany's neck. Without the rest of the union propping the EU up, I cant see them being overjoyed at the prospect from a financial point of view.
At the end of the day they need more coming in than going out. Albania and other East Euro Country's are yet a further financial burden too.
 

chopples

Well-known Member
England. Why?
I am curious why you have a big bee in your bonnet about the Scots running a deficit, unless you live in the south east or London then the region you live in probably runs at a deficit. Does that mean that these regions provide no use and we are best just cutting lose? Just trying to understand your angle
 

Bigfingers

Distinguished Member
I am curious why you have a big bee in your bonnet about the Scots running a deficit, unless you live in the south east or London then the region you live in probably runs at a deficit. Does that mean that these regions provide no use and we are best just cutting lose? Just trying to understand your angle
TBF regions of a Country are hardly comparable to a Country as a whole.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
TBF regions of a Country are hardly comparable to a Country as a whole.
In the case of Scotland I think it is comparable. By way of example, if Scotland was independent there are parts of Government that would be based in Edinburgh rather than London, so that distorts the picture.
 

chopples

Well-known Member
TBF regions of a Country are hardly comparable to a Country as a whole.
Hi Mate

My thinking was that all parts of the UK offer something of value regardless of whether they run at a deficit or not so I don't really understand people having a go on this point when the majority of the UK is ran the same way
 
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I am curious why you have a big bee in your bonnet about the Scots running a deficit, unless you live in the south east or London then the region you live in probably runs at a deficit. Does that mean that these regions provide no use and we are best just cutting lose? Just trying to understand your angle
I'm not aware of any political party in say the North East of England standing on a platform for that region to become independent.

If they do, then fair play to them if they can convince enough people there to support the idea.

If that happens, then you can be sure people like me will be pointing out the economic problems they are likely to have. But they have the absolute right to self determination if they voted for independence regardless.
 

LM1405

Well-known Member
I am curious why you have a big bee in your bonnet about the Scots running a deficit, unless you live in the south east or London then the region you live in probably runs at a deficit. Does that mean that these regions provide no use and we are best just cutting lose? Just trying to understand your angle
Running a deficit? Its a massive deficit and its the English that's paying for free university places, free prescriptions etc. I lived in London for a number of years.

I'm sick of the SNP banging the independence drum. If Scotland want independence let them have it. They will realise that things will have to change
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
Running a deficit? Its a massive deficit and its the English that's paying for free university places, free prescriptions etc. I lived in London for a number of years.

I'm sick of the SNP banging the independence drum. If Scotland want independence let them have it. They will realise that things will have to change
Every region of the UK apart from London and the South East are net beneficiaries.

How Scotland and Wales spend their devolved budgets for health and education are irrelevant.
 

klaxhu

Well-known Member
I am curious why you have a big bee in your bonnet about the Scots running a deficit, unless you live in the south east or London then the region you live in probably runs at a deficit. Does that mean that these regions provide no use and we are best just cutting lose? Just trying to understand your angle
I was about to say the same. It's funny how quickly people are ready to shout, when maybe their area is one that most benefited from the very thing they are against. ( see Devon and the brexit vote. hilarious!). But to see now people so against Scotland and Ireland, it just shows the division brexit has created. Or was it always there? You always hated each other?
 
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psikey

Distinguished Member
Who knew you'd have your say. The SNP want another referendum and want to leave the UK, they're voting on matters which may not concerned Scotland in a few years so they should keep their nose out.

When Scotland pay their way then maybe people will start to listen.
Your flawed argument is that all people of Scotland want to be independant. Just because the SNP never shut up about it doesn't mean the majority want it.

Similar situation as Remainers here. Just because they are the most vocal on-line and street protests doesn't mean the majority want to Remain.
 

LM1405

Well-known Member
Every region of the UK apart from London and the South East are net beneficiaries.

How Scotland and Wales spend their devolved budgets for health and education are irrelevant.
Irrelevant? Of course its not irrelevant. Its the English thats paying for it, reduce their budgets and spend the money in the poorer parts of England.
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
Irrelevant? Of course its not irrelevant. Its the English thats paying for it, reduce their budgets and spend the money in the poorer parts of England.
I think you’re missing the point - the way that devolved areas of the UK spend the money they receive is up to them. Even if you ‘reduced their budget’ they may still decide to pay tuition fees and pick up prescription costs because those things are important to them.
 

LM1405

Well-known Member
I think you’re missing the point - the way that devolved areas of the UK spend the money they receive is up to them. Even if you ‘reduced their budget’ they may still decide to pay tuition fees and pick up prescription costs because those things are important to them.
I'm not missing the point at all. Reduce their budgets and they have to reducing their spending. If they keep free university places and prescriptions they would have to cut other services etc.
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
I'm not missing the point at all. Reduce their budgets and they have to reducing their spending. If they keep free university places and prescriptions they would have to cut other services etc.
So in Wales they discovered that it cost more to administrate means testing for prescriptions than they received in prescription fees. So that makes sense to give them for free, right?

Regarding education, maybe Wales (and Scotland) see higher education as an investment in their future, and want to ensure there is fair access to it?

So how do you feel about the welfare state generally?
 

lostinspace

Well-known Member
I wonder what would happen if the UK leaves the EU, then Scotland leaves the UK, and then the EU say no to Scotland joining.

Lots of ifs I admit, but a possible scenario all the same and the SNP needs to be very careful what they wish for.
 

Panavision

Well-known Member
I wonder what would happen if the UK leaves the EU, then Scotland leaves the UK, and then the EU say no to Scotland joining.

Lots of ifs I admit, but a possible scenario all the same and the SNP needs to be very careful what they wish for.
It would be very brave to issue another ref without some agreement in place with the EU if they win.
 

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