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Which option would you prefer?

  • Leave with no deal

    Votes: 114 74.5%
  • Leave with the WA without the backstop

    Votes: 39 25.5%

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Liquid101

Distinguished Member
I wonder how many Remainers are disappointed with this if their honest? A Deal means not cancelling A50. If these two are agreeing (so supposedly DUP will still be onside) then I can't see parliament/EU voting against the eventual deal if it meets the rest of the WA.
I’m not disappointed. I hope they can agree something.

Not holding my breath though - what they can agree and what the rest of the EU think aren’t necessarily the same thing.

Still think the most likely scenario is a customs union - albeit a short term one.
 

philbot

Well-known Member
Just waiting for the remain alliance to pour cold water on this news, and then vote against whatever deal they come up with, because they don’t want a deal they want to stop Brexit.
 

chopples

Well-known Member
"What a difference a day makes" well 2hrs actually!


Brexit: Varadkar says new agreement 'possible' by end of October after talks with Johnson


I wonder how many Remainers are disappointed with this if their honest? A Deal means not cancelling A50. If these two are agreeing (so supposedly DUP will still be onside) then I can't see parliament/EU voting against the eventual deal if it meets the rest of the WA.
I think there will be a few mate, likewise I think a few brexiteers, especially those who have issues with the WA which go beyond the backstop will not be happy
 

klaxhu

Well-known Member
Or because it was a take it or leave it deal, there was some movement created?

I sense your gutted there could be progress?
Your thinking we all just hate the Toryes and any progress that is made towards a deal?

/end grammar_nazi_mode

I appreciate any progress by the way, we need stability and finding a common ground, as much as I hate brexit; but I will accept it when I’ll see it. For now we are just speculating.
 

chopples

Well-known Member
I’m not disappointed. I hope they can agree something.

Not holding my breath though - what they can agree and what the rest of the EU think aren’t necessarily the same thing.

Still think the most likely scenario is a customs union - albeit a short term one.
I am the same mate, I appreciate we need to leave but I want it done in a way which does not impact jobs and potentially threaten security in N I. If this gets sorted then it’s a thumbs up from me but we have had a few false dawns already, guess we will wait and see
 

Dbcoup

Distinguished Member
Your thinking we all just hate the Toryes and any progress that is made towards a deal?

/end grammar_nazi_mode

I appreciate any progress by the way, we need stability and finding a common ground, as much as I hate brexit - but I will accept it when I’ll see it. For now we are just speculating.
What does this mean:

/end grammar_nazi_mode
 

klaxhu

Well-known Member
What does this mean:

/end grammar_nazi_mode
I made a joke on your constant misspelling of “your” when it should be “you’re” (also toryes instead of tories). I always had to read at least twice to understand it. Grammar nazi is someone who comes and corrects your grammar on the internet, google it, it’s a meme.
 

IronGiant

Moderator
MOD COMMENT: Your continual nit picking of typos, with a ridiculous excuse of having to re-read it, or it's not my native language has been noted previously and needs to stop now.
The Grammar Police have never been welcome here, long before you joined.
 

klaxhu

Well-known Member
Just waiting for the remain alliance to pour cold water on this news, and then vote against whatever deal they come up with, because they don’t want a deal they want to stop Brexit.
We are not voting on anything. Remainers did not exist before the referendum, it’s a made up word with no meaning to me. A leaver exists, a remaine doesn’t. Cause we never asked for this. What I want is freedom and cooperation. If parliament votes for this with a democratic majority, everybody has to accept the result. I accept brexit as long as it is done right, right now it isn’t, facts are not accepted, just emotions - for we “need to get it done”, at any cost. As I am writing this to you, Dolores Is finishing up “Zombie” in my my headphones- the irony.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
"What a difference a day makes" well 2hrs actually!


Brexit: Varadkar says new agreement 'possible' by end of October after talks with Johnson


I wonder how many Remainers are disappointed with this if their honest? A Deal means not cancelling A50. If these two are agreeing (so supposedly DUP will still be onside) then I can't see parliament/EU voting against the eventual deal if it meets the rest of the WA.
How can anyone be pleased or disappointed until they see or hear some detail of whatever has changed?

As a remainer I want a deal but I am sceptical based on some fragments on the news. However, it is impossible to say until we see some meat on the bones. For the sake of the country, let's hope a good deal has been agreed.
 

psikey

Well-known Member
How can anyone be pleased or disappointed until they see or hear some detail of whatever has changed?

As a remainer I want a deal but I am sceptical based on some fragments on the news. However, it is impossible to say until we see some meat on the bones. For the sake of the country, let's hope a good deal has been agreed.
Any positive vibes at the moment is a big :thumbsup: IMO

Surely saying your a Remainer means you want to Remain o_O or are you now a Deal'er !
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
How can anyone be pleased or disappointed until they see or hear some detail of whatever has changed?

As a remainer I want a deal but I am sceptical based on some fragments on the news. However, it is impossible to say until we see some meat on the bones. For the sake of the country, let's hope a good deal has been agreed.
Agreed.

Leavers often try to suggest that those that want to remain will only settle for revoking article 50. This simply isn't the case. In fact, it's the leavers that don't seem to want a deal, they just blindly repeat the mantra 'leave means leave'

Most remainers completely accept that we must leave, but it has to done in the least destructive way possible. That doesn't make it a bad deal, or the wrong deal or only a good deal for the EU.

If anything it's leavers who will be disappointed with a viable deal. Probably thinking that if it's good enough for the EU to agree, it can't be good for the UK.

The sad thing is - this is just the withdrawal agreement. What on earth is it going to be like when we try to actually negotiate a free trade deal. The whole issue of the customs union isn't going to go away. Such a big chunk of our trade is EU based, it'll take us a while to ween ourselves off that.
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
Any positive vibes at the moment is a big :thumbsup: IMO
I will consider whether it is a "positive vibe" once I have more detail. Normally, given the press conference today, I would agree but four things hold me back:

1. Our PM is not a "details man". I don't believe he is sufficiently on top of his brief to know what he has, or has not, conceded to. He may have said warm words - like he did to Damian Green just yesterday - but it may prove to be meaningless.

2. I don't believe he has freedom of manoeuvre and will be reigned in by his advisors, the ERG, the DUP or others.

3. I do not believe our PM is honest, will not put the national interest above his own and is incompetent.

4. The secrecy surrounding the discussions indicates that portions of one faction or the other is probably going to be miffed. I think that is unlikely to be on the EU side.

Clearly these are my views based on very little info and alot of guesswork - I might be entirely wrong - but this is why I am sceptical this evening. If the breakfast talks tomorrow show a great breakthrough, I will happily review the above.
 

psikey

Well-known Member
Most remainers completely accept that we must leave, but it has to done in the least destructive way possible. That doesn't make it a bad deal, or the wrong deal or only a good deal for the EU.
Disagree

Most Brexiteers I actually know in person want a deal but not one that is BRINO
 

psikey

Well-known Member
I will consider whether it is a "positive vibe" once I have more detail. Normally, given the press conference today, I would agree but four things hold me back:

1. Our PM is not a "details man". I don't believe he is sufficiently on top of his brief to know what he has, or has not, conceded to. He may have said warm words - like he did to Damian Green just yesterday - but it may prove to be meaningless.

2. I don't believe he has freedom of manoeuvre and will be reigned in by his advisors, the ERG, the DUP or others.

3. I do not believe our PM is honest, will not put the national interest above his own and is incompetent.

4. The secrecy surrounding the discussions indicates that portions of one faction or the other is probably going to be miffed. I think that is unlikely to be on the EU side.

Clearly these are my views based on very little info and alot of guesswork - I might be entirely wrong - but this is why I am sceptical this evening. If the breakfast talks tomorrow show a great breakthrough, I will happily review the above.
1. Can't agree or disagree, don't know him.
2. He will have freedom because if he goes for No Deal the opposition will take over government before the 31st then Brexit won't happen at all unless he DOES win the GE.
3. Most MP's are not honest. They said they would honour the referendum but the bulk don't want to.
4. These discussions should have always been secret, not run by media and armchair politicians. Leakers in UK & EU should be prosecuted IMO.
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
1. Our PM is not a "details man". I don't believe he is sufficiently on top of his brief to know what he has, or has not, conceded to. He may have said warm words - like he did to Damian Green just yesterday - but it may prove to be meaningless.
It seems that every time Boris has face to face meetings, they end quite positively. There is no doubt he has charisma, and can turn on the charm when required.

My brother shared a flight to New York with him a few years ago, and despite my brother being a red flag waving socialist, he came away thinking that Boris was a throughly nice chap. A feeling that didn't last long.

However, it seems that when Boris leaves the room, the charm seems to slip off the words pretty quickly, and the reality quickly sinks in.
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
Lost me on this.

If after transition period we are out of the EU institutions and have a trade deal and not locked by some one sided backstop then we are out ?
Do you honestly think we will get a favourable trade deal without a customs union, or Freedom of movement or some other thing that you will call BRINO?
 

psikey

Well-known Member
Do you honestly think we will get a favourable trade deal without a customs union, or Freedom of movement or some other thing that you will call BRINO?
I don't honestly know, beyond my knowledge & pay grade.

What I do know is that if Boris does get a deal he is highly likely to be the one involved in the next 2 years after the GE and will not let the EU have it all their own way and no one-sided backstop to act as EU's leverage.

I'm fine with Freedom of Movement for those that have jobs that UK needs to fill externally so long as Job ends they can Move back unless legally gained the approval to stay. No automatic right to stay.
 

Dbcoup

Distinguished Member
I made a joke on your constant misspelling of “your” when it should be “you’re” (also toryes instead of tories). I always had to read at least twice to understand it. Grammar nazi is someone who comes and corrects your grammar on the internet, google it, it’s a meme.

Not sure where you got toryes from? Sorry for any inconvenience caused, I was unaware I was in an English language exam. Out of respect for IG, I will not spend any time correcting all your spelling mistakes, punctuation, pigeon English and poor grammar.
 

hunt808

Suspended
Where did he say it was take it or leave it?

He said it was "a broad landing area for a deal" and invited the EU to negotiate on it.
Dominic Cummings briefed MPs with a statement to that effect. That’s it would be no deal if the EU didn’t accept Johnson’s deal.

And as with everything Cummings, it turned out to be BS.
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
I don't honestly know, beyond my knowledge & pay grade.

What I do know is that if Boris does get a deal he is highly likely to be the one involved in the next 2 years after the GE and will not let the EU have it all their own way and no one-sided backstop to act as EU's leverage.

I'm fine with Freedom of Movement for those that have jobs that UK needs to fill externally so long as Job ends they can Move back unless legally gained the approval to stay. No automatic right to stay.
That's not freedom of movement then is it - its just an immigration policy.

I'd live to see Boris negioate with the Sky Cancellation team

I'd like you to remove the dish, the box and I want to cancel my subscription charge. Oh - but I still want to watch Sky Sports please.
 

Bl4ckGryph0n

Distinguished Member
That's not freedom of movement then is it - its just an immigration policy.

I'd live to see Boris negioate with the Sky Cancellation team

I'd like you to remove the dish, the box and I want to cancel my subscription charge. Oh - but I still want to watch Sky Sports please.
Then you can get a Now TV subscription 😂
 

psikey

Well-known Member
That's not freedom of movement then is it - its just an immigration policy.
I know ;)

Why do you want people to come here if they can't work & contribute?

Surely you don't really want a mass of unskilled/un-needed people to just arrive, sign on and live off UK tax payer benefits?

I can't imagine the Polish or Lithuanian's would be happy with a couple million British turning up demanding homes & benefits without ability to work or support themselves. Luckily for them not many want to, if any.

I know, a new policy on freedom of movement. Every time a Brit wants to move to an EU country we allow one from that EU country. No mass population shifts.

Or

Each country of origin covers any social costs of their citizens during the next 50 years of the EU until standardised benefits, tax, min wage etc across all EU nations eliminates the "pull" factors.
 
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