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Which option would you prefer?

  • Leave with no deal

    Votes: 114 78.1%
  • Leave with the WA without the backstop

    Votes: 32 21.9%

  • Total voters
    146
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Dbcoup

Distinguished Member
They can't. A government with no confidence can't govern. Therefore a GE must be held as soon as Parliamentary process will allow. (dissolution, 25 day campaigning etc.)

If Corbyn/Swinson/Joe Bloggs don't win a vote of confidence to continue, they can't just then decide, "well actually we'll just hold on in office till 2022 anyway".

It is messy and it does actually look like there's a way through interpretation Johnson might be able to get round this o_O But I'll save that for another day as if I post it now there'll be a meltdown on here that will rival Chernobyl.

And if Cummings hasn't spotted it then Johnson needs to fire him and hire me :laugh:

But in terms of this mythical coup, there's absolutely nothing underhand and illegal about what's going on, it's all above board and perfectly within the remit of the Act.

The crux of it is, if Johnson had a majority he'd be avoiding all this anyway. And he might not want to kick any more out of his party.
I get that, but, IF they get a VOC, would you be happy for this bunch to govern indefinitely?
 

Sonic67

Distinguished Member
Game plan?

Parliament is prorogued.
Returns on the 14th for the Queens Speech and to pass new legislation.
There will be a vote after that, a possible equivalent of no confidence.
Boris loses.
Boris argues the opposition has 14 days to show they command a majority or there must be a General election.
If opposition does form a government they are then delaying brexit.
Boris doesn't request a delay. If forced to he resigns.
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
I get that, but, IF they get a VOC, would you be happy for this bunch to govern indefinitely?
No I absolutely wouldn't. I want a GE. At least to see if we can get a majority to do something. But I'm dubious about that possibility as well. But we have to try.

However if the rest of Parliament sees fit to give them a vote of confidence....

….I'll have my trays of vinegar and chips ready cos it's gonna get salty from both sides for a very very long time :laugh:
 

weaviemx5

Distinguished Member
Fifth time. o_O A direct result doesn't make it the same.

The road is icy.
The guy skidded and crashed his car.

The skid and the crash was a direct result.
Crashing your car is not the same as a lowering in temperature that caused an icy road.
The car wouldn’t have skidded on the ice if the road wasn’t icy..hence they’re directly related.

And you call me a spin doctor :rotfl: Anyway, I’ll leave it there because I’m getting dizzy with the twists
 

jouster

Moderator
Yeah like the school a*sehole saying the tuck shop is sh!t then 5 minutes later coming back asking for a discount :laugh:
Please stop trying to be clever to get around the profanity blocker.
 

Sonic67

Distinguished Member
The car wouldn’t have skidded on the ice if the road wasn’t icy..hence they’re directly related.

And you call me a spin doctor :rotfl: Anyway, I’ll leave it there because I’m getting dizzy with the twists
"Related" but not the same which was the entire point and the sixth time I've had to explain it. :rotfl:
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
"Related" but not the same which was the entire point and the sixth time I've had to explain it. :rotfl:
Either way - a promise is a promise. It doesn't matter if its on an election leaflet or a referendum leaflet. They're equally as easy to break. One might have more consequences than the other, but that's all.

I still think we will be leaving the EU in one way or another. It may not be the utopian vision that the leave campaign promised, but we will no longer be in the EU, and that's all that they promised.

Better get that TM deal signed and sealed before Corbyn and his rag tag government come in and give the people what polls are suggesting they actually now want.

To remain.
 

Sonic67

Distinguished Member
Either way - a promise is a promise. It doesn't matter if its on an election leaflet or a referendum leaflet. They're equally as easy to break. One might have more consequences than the other, but that's all.

I still think we will be leaving the EU in one way or another. It may not be the utopian vision that the leave campaign promised, but we will no longer be in the EU, and that's all that they promised.

Better get that TM deal signed and sealed before Corbyn and his rag tag government come in and give the people what polls are suggesting they actually now want.

To remain.
2016 - Voted to leave.
2017 - GE Vote was over 80% for parties pledging to leave.
2019 - EU elections. Combined vote was larger for leave parties.

National votes have been for leave. Polling which is constantly flawed, tended to also suggest remain just before the referendum.
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
2016 - Voted to leave.
2017 - GE Vote was over 80% for parties pledging to leave.
2019 - EU elections. Combined vote was larger for leave parties.

National votes have been for leave. Polling which is constantly flawed, tended to also suggest remain just before the referendum.
So you have nothing to worry about then.
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
Unless I've missed it, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned about John Bercow and his meeting with David Sassoli.

Looks as though negotiations are being taken out of Johnson's hands! :laugh:

The mood is clearly one that suggests no-one believes Johnson will abide by the Benn Act, so matters regarding an extension are being taken out of his control.
 

ghrh

Well-known Member
The thing is that Remainers don't seem to understand that another referendum would probably see a greater lean towards leave than 52 percent.

Then the "But it isn't legally binding" arguments would start again.
How exactly can it be legally binding?
 

raduv1

Distinguished Member
We ate at the point where leaving is not beneficial to the UK and is becoming detrimental for our economy .I voted leave but unlike other lemmings will not accept leaving without a deal and fudgeing up a close trade partnership for the ideal that is Brexit . To walk off a cliff in the name of Brexit is UK economic suicide that I can not get behind as it is .

I don't care who is to blame for my approach , but I will not go down a path that is based on hope and fairy dust for our future .

Sorry but it is what it is .
 

Rasczak

Distinguished Member
Game plan?

Parliament is prorogued.
Returns on the 14th for the Queens Speech and to pass new legislation.
There will be a vote after that, a possible equivalent of no confidence.
Boris loses.
Boris argues the opposition has 14 days to show they command a majority or there must be a General election.
If opposition does form a government they are then delaying brexit.
Boris doesn't request a delay. If forced to he resigns.
Sounds like a plan...except the Benn Act requires him to act on the 19th October. And a court case is sitting on 21st October that can write the letter in his name.
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
We ate at the point where leaving is not beneficial to the UK and is becoming detrimental for our economy .I voted leave but unlike other lemmings will not accept leaving without a deal and fudgeing up a close trade partnership for the ideal that is Brexit . To walk off a cliff in the name of Brexit is UK economic suicide that I can not get behind as it is .

I don't care who is to blame for my approach , but I will not go down a path that is based on hope and fairy dust for our future .

Sorry but it is what it is .
There are others like yourself. I think it is complete nonsense too to suggest the majority of the country back leaving without a deal, which is exactly why it shouldn't happen.

I think the extension will happen till January, and then before that we'll have a GE and then a referendum on No Deal/Some kind of Deal, or Remain. Has been my view for a long while and nothing is changing it.

The decision is ultimately going to be removed from Parliament. They can't handle it. And there's no-one other than us to make what has to be the final decision.
 

Sonic67

Distinguished Member
As I said, it looks more like twisting the facts to claim that one isn’t the other, but ok.
You are directly related to your mom. Are you the same?

7. See 1-6 again.
 

Sonic67

Distinguished Member
So you have nothing to worry about then.
I don't. I was worried about our passive membership of the EU years ago. I'm not now. Now everything the EU does will be scrutinised and will always be a major political issue. What the UK wants and what the EU wants are fundamentally different. We leave now or we leave later but I've no doubt we will leave.
 

raduv1

Distinguished Member
There are others like yourself. I think it is complete nonsense too to suggest the majority of the country back leaving without a deal, which is exactly why it shouldn't happen.

I think the extension will happen till January, and then before that we'll have a GE and then a referendum on No Deal/Some kind of Deal, or Remain. Has been my view for a long while and nothing is changing it.

The decision is ultimately going to be removed from Parliament. They can't handle it. And there's no-one other than us to make what has to be the final decision.
It's a sad reality on this thread the members are more engaged in their own biased party and party politics than they are in Brexit itself and the ultimate consequences for the UK .
 

Sonic67

Distinguished Member
It supports what I've been saying for years: the UK voting population contains a massive number of absolute numpties. Kick most of them up the backside, and they'd pay you to do it again.
And also a massive number of very astute voters as well. Thank God.
 

tapzilla2k

Distinguished Member
Game plan?

Parliament is prorogued.
Returns on the 14th for the Queens Speech and to pass new legislation.
There will be a vote after that, a possible equivalent of no confidence.
Boris loses.
Queen delivers speech, The commons holds "Humble Address" debate that usually lasts for 5 days before the vote on the Queen's speech takes place. Which means Boris Johnson will definitely be PM when the Benn Act applies (Parliament doesn't usually sit on Fridays, see my previous post for the Commons sitting on the 19th). Unless Corbyn moves a VONC before then (unlikely). The earliest a vote could take place assuming the debate lasts for 5 days is the following Monday or Tuesday.


Boris argues the opposition has 14 days to show they command a majority or there must be a General election.
If no government is formed within the 14 days, then a General Election happens automatically. Johnson just has to hope the Liberal Democrats and Labour can't overcome their differences. The earliest a general election can take place is around the 5th of December.

If opposition does form a government they are then delaying brexit.
Which people might accept if it's to find a way to resolve Brexit. Then again they might do something you'd absolutely hate - Revoke Article 50. If there is an extension and a general election then Brexit is delayed anyway.

Boris doesn't request a delay. If forced to he resigns.
Then he'd most likely be in contempt of Court and then possibly face something far worse than having to resign as PM - Prison time. He's made promises to the Scottish Courts to abide by the Benn Act.
The Courts will probably decide to appoint somebody else to send the letter if Boris refuses to.

The Supreme Court is ready to sit in judgement again, should that be necessary.
 

hunt808

Suspended
Poll of polls now showing that a majority would vote to stay in the EU.

"Anthony Wells, director of political research at YouGov, said: “The polling evidence is concrete. The overwhelming majority of questions asking people if Brexit is right or wrong, or if they would now vote Remain or Leave, show a lead for Remain, and have done for over two years."


Breaking News: PM acting against will of the people! ;)
 

Dony

Distinguished Member
When all this is over, can all you regular posters to this thread club together and buy @IronGiant and nice bottle of his choice for having to read this thread and try to moderate it impartially.

The man must have the patience of Job.
 

Sonic67

Distinguished Member
Which people might accept if it's to find a way to resolve Brexit. Then again they might do something you'd absolutely hate - Revoke Article 50.
Can't see it ever happening. All this is angering people. If you think people will just shrug their shoulders and forget this ever happened you are really deluding yourself and know little of people.

The reasons why people voted to leave are still there together with rich people stopping brexit, MPs ignoring their own voters and the EU themselves and what they've said.

People were angry just over the "back of the queue" comment.
 

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