JVC DLA-X5900 D-ILA HDR Projector Review & Comments

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    1. Steve Withers

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    2. TarPot

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      Thanks for the review. I've been looking forward to reading about this projector.

      I'm now waiting to read a review for the X7900 to see if it's worth my extra money.
       
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      How come there is no talk of panel convergence, lens sharpness, internal lens reflection or bright corners?

      Are is the review implying it is perfect on all counts?
       
    4. Steve Withers

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      The panel alignment was spot-on, the lens sharpness excellent for the price point and there were no bright corners. Like all JVC projectors there is the occasional internal lens reflection though, I'll add that to the review.
       
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      The Optima is a true 4K projector.Have you been able to compare this projector with the JVC? If so,on 4K material what was the visible difference(if any). I am happy to trade off 3D for a noticeably superior 4K picture
       
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      the current optima does not have a true 4K panel though?
       
    7. Steve Stifler

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      Nice review Steve.

      Did you happen to notice if e-shift5 operating noise was any quieter than previous versions? I guess this might vary from unit to unit.
       
    8. Steve Withers

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      No the noise the e-shift device makes is still the same. I don't notice it when watching movies but when you switch it off, which I recommend doing when focusing the lens, you do suddenly become very aware of it.
       
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      As someone has already pointed out, the Optoma is not a native 4K projector, despite some very misleading marketing. However, in Phil's review of the Optoma UHD65 he does compare it directly with the JVC X7000.
       
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      My apologies. I must admit that I thought the Optima was a true 4K projector.
      With the JVC supporting 3D then it seems an obvious choice at the price point,however would I see any visual difference in paying an extra £2000 for the latest Sony projector which is a true 4K model
       
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      That’s their marketing blurb, the Optoma does have more distinct pixels than the JVC and Epson faux, but it’s still a faux. Because of it’s extra pixels it does have a sharpness advantage if your sat close enough. Having said that, and owned one, it’s blacks aren’t as good, nor motion and it has way less features like no power lens, no horizontal shift etc. For me the Sony having full 4k was not enough to justify its price given its other missing bits and the icing on the cake is it not having a full 18gb hdmi input, which was the same issue I had with the Epson 9300. Ie it is not fully compatible with all kit, especially [email protected]/60hz with increased colour bits 10/12 bit etc.
       
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      What about general noise levels without eshift? Any quieter than the competition?
       
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      Nice review, but still don't feel like i should run to the stores and replace my X5000 right now. Had the same feeling last year when they released the X5500. I would rather think of an X7000 or X9000 upgrade... but that's only my humble opinion. :)

      If JVC (or other manufacturers) can't do a major improvement why do they release a "new" model every single year? You don't have to answer this question... :)

      Thought i still think that JVC does the best projectors in the market.
       
    14. Steve Withers

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      The only there projector I've reviewed recently was the Sony VW260 but the noise comparable to the X5900 and both are fairly quiet (in low lamp mode).
       
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      Like phones, tapping into upgraditis
       
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      The photo on the forum front page makes it look like a washing machine.
       
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      I also feel the same, but with an X35! Thoroughly enjoyed Stranger Things on my X35, a show that requires great black performance.
       
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      It does a great job with your blacks. Not so good with mix loads.
       
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      Can the 5900 manufacture 100% DCI P3 without a filter?
      So, why does the 7900/9900 need the color filter?
       
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      My Spanish isn't great but the X5900 can deliver 100% of DCI-P3 without the use of a filter, which makes it brighter than models that do use a filter but the downside is that the Rec.709 colour gamut is just as wide, making it impossible to get 100% saturation accurate. I believe that the X7900 and X9900 do use a filter which should mean 100% of DCI-P3 but more accurate colours with Rec.709, although they won't be as bright (but JVC claim that the X7900/9900 are 20% brighter with the filter in place compared to the X7500/9500).
       
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      Will avforums be reviewing the X7900 at a later date?

      Or maybe comparing the 5900 and the 7900?
       
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      Thanks for answering and sorry.
      I thought I had written the correctly translated question.
      If intermediate saturations track correctly at 709, it would not be too much trouble.
      Were the previous models shared in the same way?
       
    23. Steve Withers

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      Phil currently has the X7900 in for review.
       
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      Yes you're right, if you look at the calibrated colour gamut in the review you'll see that 25, 50 and 75% track very well, so the over-saturation at 100% isn't a big issue. The X5000 didn't have as wide a native colour gamut and couldn't reach 100% of DCI-P3 but did track Rec.709 better.
       
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      Nice review Steve, the JVC's have me tempted I must admit, I'm impressed you found the S&M 3D crosstalk tests pass with flying colours, you know how much I I like 3D. Pity the trans and a pair of glasses are not included to encourage new owners to try out 3D though.

      Out of curiosity did you use high or low lamp for 3D ?, can you remember how the high fan noise compares with the Epson TW9300 ?,

      Cheers.
       
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      I might have missed it in the review, but did you check the brightness and how close it is to the posted specs?

      I remember reading that the Sony VPL-VW260ES was surprisingly close to it's advertised brightness.
       
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      With my X5500 compared to the Sony HW40 I would say low lamp is quieter in the JVC but high lamp noisier than the Sony but not by much.
       
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      Here you go
      "In terms of brightness, we measured the X5900 at 600 lumens in the calibrated SDR mode with the low lamp setting and the manual iris fully closed, along with a maximum brightness of 1000 lumens with the manual iris fully open instead. We also measured the maximum brightness at 1,400 lumens using an HDR signal, with the manual iris fully open and the projector in high lamp mode. All these measurements were taken in a completely black room off a 1:1 unity screen that was 7 feet by 4 feet."
       
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      Thanks. Considering some of the higher end X7900 and X9900 don't have perfect panel alignment or lens sharpness this is really a lottery thing. Can you please confirm if the sample you were given was it brought off a retail store, or was it a review sample provided by JVC UK? If it is a review sample, they may have hand picked one with better QC than the random one off the shelf.
       
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      Hi Steve, I provided feedback on projectorcentral.com on their views on Optoma/BenQ using the faux 4K DLP chips. Here is their position - I tend to agree and stand corrected. What is AVforums position?

      "I appreciate that this pixel shift thing is a big emotional issue. You are correct that the chip has 2716x1528 mirrors. You are incorrect that it cannot deliver 3840x2160 pixels to the screen. The technology has the ability to define one pixel b/w line test patterns with no bleeding--defining discrete individual pixels, and the projector sends predefined 3840x2160 frames to the device. In a side by side comparison with a Sony native 4K projector there is no visible difference in 4K resolution -- and in fact the 4K DLP chip can actually look slightly sharper.


      The same is not true of the Epson/JVC pixel shift due to the native 1080p starting point on the chips.


      We have advanced into a new place in the industry where the number of elements on the chip is not relevant to the perceived resolution on the screen. That of course was never true before. The only thing that a focus on the mirror array on the chip itself will accomplish is confuse people into thinking that the projector is 1/2 the native 4K resolution. That would be highly misleading. So we do not fault the DLP vendors for claiming that their products deliver a full 8.3 million pixels to the screen. In point of fact, they do."
       

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