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JVC DLA-NX9 4K Projector Review & Comments

UMAR 3:16

Well-known Member
The only projector that would tempt me over OLED picture but sadly it’s too expensive!
 

Thatsnotmynaim

Well-known Member
The only projector that would tempt me over OLED picture but sadly it’s too expensive!
Not sure I totally agree with that comment, a PJ and TV picture are different beasts and people generally use the different display types for different things. Also my Panny FZ OLED I think has less detail in the blacks than my JVC x7900 did, maybe screen size effects that who knows. Everyone hypes the OLEDs but they’re also not a perfect solution, don’t think there is one..
Anyway, when I win the lottery I’ll buy 2 of these please!!!! :)
 

AllTaken

Well-known Member
Thanks for another cracking review!

I'm currently using a JVC x9500 and contemplated for a time moving on to the NX7, taking a contrast hit as I understand things, but gaining in the auto tone mapping for HDR. Is it a worth while upgrade from my current machine (dedicated space) vs additional outlay?

Why did JVC ditch the motorised lens covers on this line?
 

UMAR 3:16

Well-known Member
Not sure I totally agree with that comment, a PJ and TV picture are different beasts and people generally use the different display types for different things. Also my Panny FZ OLED I think has less detail in the blacks than my JVC x7900 did, maybe screen size effects that who knows. Everyone hypes the OLEDs but they’re also not a perfect solution, don’t think there is one..
Anyway, when I win the lottery I’ll buy 2 of these please!!!! :)
Fair enough... I’ll only buy 1! :)
 

mainaman

Well-known Member
It has got the Z1's lens assembly,i think.Are these really selling well,the well off enthusiasts are not going straight to Z1?
 

franin1

Active Member
I ended up with the NX9 coming from a Sony 870es projector. I find it quite impressive. The Frame by Frame is a big plus :)
 

IWC Dopplel

Well-known Member
At £20k I'd definitely want a laser and not a bulb. JVC will be replacing the Z1 soon I assume ?
 

AllTaken

Well-known Member
At £20k I'd definitely want a laser and not a bulb. JVC will be replacing the Z1 soon I assume ?
Taken from the AV Forums review of the Z1:

The Bad
  • Poor black levels and contrast ratios
  • The chassis is huge
  • Puts out a lot of heat
  • Cooling is noisy
  • Very expensive
I think I'd rather buy a lamp based projector (NX9) and save a lot of money over a potential Z1 successor. Better blacks, quieter design and a lot of spare change in comparison.
 

drillo

Active Member
Is it just the black floor that is raised perceptibly vs say x7900 or x9900 rather than appreciable loss in contrast - ie is it just bc it is brighter overall? 126k:1 should not look different to 130k or even 160k on the above models? Also surprised it measured so well in contrast - I thought consensus was that contrast had taken a more profound hit and jvc were taking liberties with measurements they declared vs their historically accurate ratios?
 

drillo

Active Member
Taken from the AV Forums review of the Z1:

The Bad
  • Poor black levels and contrast ratios
  • The chassis is huge
  • Puts out a lot of heat
  • Cooling is noisy
  • Very expensive
I think I'd rather buy a lamp based projector (NX9) and save a lot of money over a potential Z1 successor. Better blacks, quieter design and a lot of spare change in comparison.
Z1 chucks out a lot of light though
Epson showed in can be done at more modest light levels without all the above necessarily......and that was what 5 years ago. Surely nx9 level lumens can be achieved. I’d want laser too if I was spending that much. There is no future proofing but buying with no laser would hurt to much when laser arrives
 

IWC Dopplel

Well-known Member
Taken from the AV Forums review of the Z1:

The Bad
  • Poor black levels and contrast ratios
  • The chassis is huge
  • Puts out a lot of heat
  • Cooling is noisy
  • Very expensive
I think I'd rather buy a lamp based projector (NX9) and save a lot of money over a potential Z1 successor. Better blacks, quieter design and a lot of spare change in comparison.
The early Z1 software was improved. I saw the Z1 compared to the JVC bulb based projectors, a big step forward. The Epson is only 24,000:1 contrast, but better blacks isn’t something I crave, it’s more about the motion, artefacts and colour solidity and overall look, beyond a certain point for me. My local small cinema has one screen that I adore, even though the black levels are clearly not the best. When motion is handled well and colours are spot on there is a realism that I appreciate

I have seen the N5 and N7 on several occasions and they are very good, but they wouldn’t tempt me to junk the LS10,500, as they are not better enough

I saw the big Sim2 and that was superb, but I don’t think measures amazingly well
 

Stridsvognen

Well-known Member
Would have been very interesting with some color and contrast uniformity measurements, as thats where JVC is struggeling the most to maintain some fair tolerances.
 

Abacus

Well-known Member
Great review as usual, however I don't think soaking it will help as water and electronics don't mix. :D

Regrading the finances, if you hadn't put a deposit down on the New Ford Mach E GT and the New Tesla Cybertruck, you could have put a deposit down on an N9. :D

Keep up the good work.

Bill
 

mb3195

Well-known Member
I’ve been tempted by this for a while as I don’t think the N7 would give me a big enough upgrade over my 7900 especially as I have a lumagen for HDR tone mapping, however, the price is just too steep for a bulb based projector IMO. I’d guess it kicks out a brilliant image, but you’ll still have the same issues that you get with any bulb based projector.

I would have hoped by now that epson had come out with a successor to the 10500 but they seem very quiet on that front at the moment.
 

drillo

Active Member
I’ve been tempted by this for a while as I don’t think the N7 would give me a big enough upgrade over my 7900 especially as I have a lumagen for HDR tone mapping, however, the price is just too steep for a bulb based projector IMO. I’d guess it kicks out a brilliant image, but you’ll still have the same issues that you get with any bulb based projector.

I would have hoped by now that epson had come out with a successor to the 10500 but they seem very quiet on that front at the moment.
Agree
Agree
And agree some more
 

Tnaik4

Active Member
We need comparisons for people who already use external tone mapping solution like madVR or Lumagen.
I use madVR with my X5900 and it looks stunning , so not sure how much of an upgrade N7 or even NX9 would be when u take away the internal tone mapping, i m sure it ll be sharper but that might just be it since even contrast took a hit on the new models.
I really applaud JVC for supporting their product and adding the DTM solution build in which a game changer for a lot of people who just want to plug and play.
If the NX9 was lazer with their excellent lazer dimming i would buy it without hesitation, but 18k is too much when u have N7 for less than half and 90% of the performance.
 

Slinkywizard

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At £20k I'd definitely want a laser and not a bulb. JVC will be replacing the Z1 soon I assume ?
Yup. Bulb seems backwards as heck on a PJ in this price category. But then I would say that, wouldn't I? I'm clutching here. :rotfl:
 

Gordon @ Convergent AV

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It has got the Z1's lens assembly,i think.Are these really selling well,the well off enthusiasts are not going straight to Z1?
The Z1 was discontinued about 6 months ago. I was offered JVC's last demo one at a stupid price but i couldn't find anyone who wanted to buy it....which is a pity, as it's awesome. I expect when the replacement eventually arrives it will be superb too as Sony need some competition to the VW870 and more importantly, the VW5000
 

Tnaik4

Active Member
The Z1 was discontinued about 6 months ago. I was offered JVC's last demo one at a stupid price but i couldn't find anyone who wanted to buy it....which is a pity, as it's awesome. I expect when the replacement eventually arrives it will be superb too as Sony need some competition to the VW870 and more importantly, the VW5000
I m looking to buy a Z1 for a ridiculous price but dont kniw where to get those lol.
 

Slinkywizard

Well-known Member
The Z1 was discontinued about 6 months ago. I was offered JVC's last demo one at a stupid price but i couldn't find anyone who wanted to buy it....which is a pity, as it's awesome. I expect when the replacement eventually arrives it will be superb too as Sony need some competition to the VW870 and more importantly, the VW5000
I just didn't/don't have room for one, so opted for a VW760ES instead. The bulkier form of the Z1 and longer throw requirement were factors in that choice, as well as price/performance ratio obviously. I'm very happy with my Sony and will see what's what in another 5 years.
 
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DB9S

Active Member
I just didn't/don't have room for one, so opted for a VW760ES instead. The bulkier form of the Z1 and longer throw requirement are were factors in that choice, as well as price/value ratio obviously. I'm very happy with my Sony and will see what's what in another 5 years.
Kind of my thinking too.
Also in 5 years, the brightness should be little changed from now thanks to the laser light engine. :):cool:
 

mainaman

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I m looking to buy a Z1 for a ridiculous price but dont kniw where to get those lol.
I have seen the JVC RS3000 for 17500 euros from an european vendor,the RS2000 for 7500.
The UK street prices may be lower than RRP too.
The Benq X12000H is 7000 pounds here and it would be great if it gets reviewed by AVF.
 
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AllTaken

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I have seen the JVC RS3000 for 17500 euros from an european vendor,the RS2000 for 7500.
The UK street prices may be lower than RRP too.
The Benq X12000H is 7000 pounds here and it would be great if AVF can review it.
A company whose name shall not be spoken on these forums was selling the NX9 (might still be) for £12000 recently.
 

Tnaik4

Active Member
I have seen the JVC RS3000 for 17500 euros from an european vendor,the RS2000 for 7500.
The UK street prices may be lower than RRP too.
The Benq X12000H is 7000 pounds here and it would be great if AVF can review it.
I can get the X12000H locally for 4000 pounds, its a great price but i want good contrast.
I do live in the middle east though and prices is USA are a lot cheaper, RS2000 goes for 6000 USD , so might as well ship it from there.
 

IWC Dopplel

Well-known Member
I do think prices will come down but there is more to it than chip, it’s lens manufacturing tolerances, electronics etc. Look at camera lens prices for good glass, add low production volume and we all know that manufacturers margin, distributor and dealer/reseller margins means a mega 4K PJ is unlikely to be £3k any time soon. Add to the mix the reality of most domestic environments and you can see why chasing a high end 4K PJ consumer is about chasing the better off and enthusiast rather than the masses
 

Tnaik4

Active Member
I do think prices will come down but there is more to it than chip, it’s lens manufacturing tolerances, electronics etc. Look at camera lens prices for good glass, add low production volume and we all know that manufacturers margin, distributor and dealer/reseller margins means a mega 4K PJ is unlikely to be £3k any time soon. Add to the mix the reality of most domestic environments and you can see why chasing a high end 4K PJ consumer is about chasing the better off and enthusiast rather than the masses
i have a BenQ LK970 lazer projector, it has one of best lenses u can ask for in a projector , really really high level lens on par with Sony vw1100 and Jvc z1 , that projector cost me 5000 pounds, its lazer and 5000 lumens, i know its a DLP so not the best blacks but if BenQ can give us lazer+insane lens +5000 lumens for that price why cant other manufacturers do it for low price, NX9 really doesnt make sense for that much money and no lazer.
i think manufacturers dont want to do it on purpose since if they do, people would stop upgrading that often cause lazer life is a lot longer and they would have to innovate with big advancement for people to upgrade.
i also have JVC rs440 , stunning projector , but once u try lazer and all its benefits specially not worrying about lamp life , no flicker , extreemly fast on / off etc... its hard to go back to lamp .

i think its time to have a good 4k laser projector at 10k pounds .
 

mainaman

Well-known Member
The pricing and the prices of the high-end front projection staff has been discussed to death in the american site(and elsewhere).

Yes,you can get "insane" lens and laser engine for less money than the N7 and its not like the Ns and the VWs are made in Japan(Thailand and China,if i remember correctly),so one could assume that the Taiwanese are chasing smaller profit margins than the Japanese.This is probably true,but there is more to it than just BOM and market share.The TV manifacturing is a race to the bottom,so the manifacturers are churning out largely the same sets with newer bells and whistles to entice you to buy a new one every year and the economies of scale can support the ever decreasing prices.The front projection market is a niche one and the chips that Sony and JVC make are not bought from a vendor like TI,so their R&D is probably rather larger than the DLP makers.I dont know if it is true,but it is claimed that the Z1 is very costly to build and it is just a halo model,not a money maker.

That said,the 10k 4k LCoS laser projector should materialise before 2021 and as many do, i bet on Epson to be the first.
 
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