During another shopping trip to Nottingham (you know what women are like!) thought id have a wander down to Seven Oaks and Richer Sounds> First off Panny W5 next to a Pioneer HDE! Both playing "Ice age" As I understand it the Pioneer has the high res panel and the Panny does not! Without being super critical I didnt feel there was much differance! Obviously the Pio with the higher res had a slightly sharper looking picture! But is it worth the extra cost?? Anyway back to the Pz-17, bearing in mind there was only about 2 minutes in between seeing the first two screens and arriving at Richer Sounds I feel I had quite a good oppotunity to compair! What can I say the 17 is easily the best picture ive seen from a LG! No longer do the pictures have a grey ting to everything but actually appear black! Not sure what player they had connected but the picture was sharp with no obvious colour bleeding or blurring with fast moving objects! I must say "its not far off" the Panny I my humble opionion! And miles away from the pio! But look at the saving! LG was selling at £2495 compaired to the usual Panny prices! Would you realy notice the differance unless you had them side by side????