Just seen @ the cinema: Matrix Recycled (or: Deja vu) - SPOILER ALERT

Massive spoiler, I guess I'd better make it invisible. Select to read:

To those who are wondering exactly what was the point in bringing Agent Smith back into the proceedings, the answer is that (to put it in terms that are meaningful at the beginning of the film, anyway) he has managed to break free of his original nature to the extent that he is able to affect events in the real world, to the extent of replacing the personality resident inside a real human body with a copy of his own - uploading himself via the matrix jack into a human brain.

This is important for two reasons:

1) He is able to betray the inhabitants of Zion by taking over a person just before that person exits the Matrix.

2) It means he has the unambiguous ability to kill Neo while he (Neo) is inside the Matrix. A conventional agent can't do anything other than try to "damage" him, and Neo is now immune to the effects of that because he is so completely convinced that it isn't real. But against a malign influence that actually flows along the wires into his brain, he is vulnerable. And the multiple Smiths between them may be able to immobilise him long enough to get him this way.
 
Originally posted by Ian Cox
OK I have been thinking about the end and how was Neo able to do what he did in the real world.


ot seen the film already - so stay away, you have been warned. Even if you have seen the film this may spoil the surprise for Revolutions if I am right. Click and drag to highlight


Ok Totally 100% Agree I came up with most of this theory myself except : .....





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When Neo realised this and destroyed the machines he went into a coma because his brain could not cope with the revelation. This is also how Agent Smith got into the real world as well. So now all bets are off Neo knows the truth and will try to destroy the Matrix so the humans can truly be freed.
I couldnt work out why he went in a coma this makes sense
If this is true it will male Revolutions very interesting indeed

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Whoa. You two have hit something there. If you guys are right, I may have to retract some of my loathing for Revolutions......

But why o why make Smith the comic relief. It's not normal, I tell you...
 
I've seen Reloaded twice now (it took two viewings of the first movie to really get into it) and I have to say that as a story it has surpassed eveything I was hoping the sequels would be.

Guess Reloaded must be a thinking man's movie.

***Spoiler***

I belive that there is no Real World (or we haven't seen it yet) and that Zion is just another Matrix type system that is outside the control of the machines.
Why no mention (or sighting) of the Zion Mainframe in Reloaded.
Remember, Agent Smith was looking for access codes to it in the 1st movie. Why if it's in the Real World could the programs in the Matrix gain access (like Agent Smith has in Reloaded, albeit in the body of another person) unless it was another part of the Matrix.



I think it's unfair to mark half a movie (since that's what Reloaded is) until you have seen the final part.
 
I very much enjoy a thinking man's film. Please do not imply that I am not a thinker.

The first Matrix was an intense and provocative story, well acted and well written. I am sure I will digest more of the story if I see it again but there were so many lame bits, I am put off from doing so.

Like you, I am sure the third installment will provide more insight and I have high hopes for it, despite the awfulness of the second installment.
 
I would say that it is a hard push to say that either Matrices are "thinking (wo)men's films". The storyline is a reasonably well plodded sci-fi theme that really does nothing more than regurge the conventional "what defines reality" philosophy.

Yes, you could argue what is Zion etc etc but there are no real cliffhangers in there, it does not make you think when you come out of the cinema, at least not in the same league as Usual Suspects, Pulp Fiction, Memento (to name a few popular films).

The storyline can really only go one or another, and in any case it doesn't matter, as fate has already determined the outcome, so whether you see it or don't see it, the outcome of revolutions will not change! :p
 
yep, you guys are probably right!
SPOILERS.........and rambling on a bit

Following the logic of the construct set up in the first film, it can make sense.

[COLOR=F4F4FF]I came out ****** off that it they had decided to allow Neo to have super powers in the real world and I thought what a load of b*ll*cks, sell out b*st*rds!
But then I realised that it must not be the real world, only a separate section of the matrix.
That also helps me let it go by that Agent Smith can now travel to the "real world" (because it isn't), otherwise a program running a full human? I don't think so.

So, the Smith copy may actually believe that he is in the real world, in which case his coma is probably genuine.

But Neo realised the new truth and may be in a coma because he has woken up in the "Real" real world (or another level of the matrix again!)

I still don't know if the one/neo is a program or a human though.

Think also that even if the matrix is to keep people happy/ occupied while they are used as batteries for the machines, that is fine.
but as a simple power source (like a wind farm) it doesn't have to be anywhere near the hardware for creating the matrix.
And the hardware for the matrix need not be anywhere near or connected to the Sentinels on the geographical earth, they are supposedly different jobs.

The matrix need have nothing to do with whatever it is the machines do to keep busy, it's the babysitter. Why would it be involved with or located close to command center for with the Sentinels?

This all means that Morpheus' idea to stop the attack from inside the matrix must have been a complete load of old b*ll*cks.
........Unless the real world is fake and in the matrix.

Maybe his raison d'etre is not what we have thought it is either?

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boring and disappointing...
...but reiner needs his eyes (or something else) testing to suggest they could have cut Monica Belluci's scenes. Looking back, she was easily the best bit in the whole film.

The film could be summarised by: stupefyingly overlong fight scenes with no outcome (I kept thinking of The Fast Show's spoof movie fight sketch) punctuated by even more stupefyingly overlong and pretentious plot exposition monologues.

Impossible to decide which were more boring (my mate fell asleep during the Architect's inane ramblings).

The only amusement was Signorina Belluci and giggling at how much weight Fishburne has gained in 4 years!

"Final flight of the Osiris" was far more exciting and better acted.
 
Pretty sad when the best point of a film is a good looking bird.

Might as well watch a porno.
 
I agree about the Matrix within a Matrix idea. If this is the case then due to some of what was said, Neo is a program and not a human. Two examples which point to this.

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When Agent Smith meets Neo again he talks about his code having been over written with code from Neo.

Also in the conversation with the architec, Neo is told that his code needs to be put into the Source.

This also means that any or all of the other character could be programs.

It is also implied by Persephone that Merovingian was once "THE ONE" when she is telling Neo that he was once like him.

So many ideas... Only six months to find out

Paul
 
Well sorry to burst the bubble, but everyone in the matrix is a program as the "humans" are simply code, their bodies are sat in vats.

Interesting point about the Frenchman, didn't think of that one :p
 

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