Just got my Elite, still got bigger black borders on DVDs??

screemer

Active Member
i had a core connected via VGA and was told ages ago that it was the VGA causing the bigger than normal black bars top and bottom. I went out and traded in for an Elite so i could hook up via hdmi like my PS3 and its exactly the same. Still bigger borders than on my PS3 and a bit obtrusive. Sure i can stretch the screen but i dont waa lose any picture. Any ideas?
 

Desmo

Distinguished Member
I don't see why using VGA would have caused this problem at all so I don't see that using HDMI would be the fix. Is it not just an aspect ratio thing, therefore not a lot you can do about it?
 

Moogle

Distinguished Member
Nothing to do with VGA, HDMI, component or even composite. That is the aspect ratio used for those DVD's and the way the director intended for them to be viewed. Changing the cable from VGA to HDMI isn't going to change that. As you said you can blow up the image but then that isn't a real representation of the movie.
 

screemer

Active Member
Strange. I play a 2.4.1 on the ps3 and its has some black borders. Play the same on the Elite and it has thicker black borders?? Both via hdmi. Oh, and some of the etst on the elite isn't as sharp as it was on my VGA but only some of it??? i am puzzled
 
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Deleted member 380232

Guest
I get this too - it only seems to be on older dvds and doesn't happen on a normal dvd player - I can't really figure it out. I'm connected via VGA by the way.
 
It's probably because the overscan is much smaller than the last input you were using.
 

Munkey Boy

Distinguished Member
Well, isn't less overscan an improvement? So long as the aspect ratio stays right, the larger the black border the better surely, as you're then seeing more of the picture right?
 
Well, isn't less overscan an improvement? So long as the aspect ratio stays right, the larger the black border the better surely, as you're then seeing more of the picture right?

Indeed. Less overscan is better, however it may seem a bit strange at first as some may not be used to it.
 

screemer

Active Member
So the bigger border is just as intended then?
 
So the bigger border is just as intended then?

Yes, as you are getting less overscan, essentially you are seeing more of the picture (both horizontally and vertically).
 

screemer

Active Member
Bloody confusing isnt it. I wish they were all made in the same ful lscreen format LOl Cheers for your answers lads.
 

Blackbolt360

Well-known Member
Bloody confusing isnt it. I wish they were all made in the same ful lscreen format LOl Cheers for your answers lads.

Not really confusing. Your TV is widescreen (16:9), alot of movies are in the original anamorphic widescreen format (2.39:1). Wouldn't you rather see the WHOLE movie than stretch it so you've not got black borders?

I don't see why people have such issues with black borders, my friend is an idiot, he stretches movies vertically to fit his widescreen plasma, its the most idiotic thing I've had to sit through, casino royal looking like this:

stupid.jpg


when it should have just been like this:

correct.jpg
 
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Deleted member 380232

Guest
No - I'm not talking about borders like that Hiro - more like huge great black borders at the top, bottom AND sides- so the picture in the middle is about 60% of the actual screen!! It's hard to describe.

PS blackbolt - nice gamertag :D
 

nick501

Distinguished Member
Not really confusing. Your TV is widescreen (16:9), alot of movies are in the original anamorphic widescreen format (2.39:1). Wouldn't you rather see the WHOLE movie than stretch it so you've not got black borders?

I don't see why people have such issues with black borders, my friend is an idiot, he stretches movies vertically to fit his widescreen plasma, its the most idiotic thing I've had to sit through, casino royal looking like this:

stupid.jpg


when it should have just been like this:

correct.jpg

My father in law does this too, apparently 'cos that's what it recommends in his tv's manual:confused:

it drives me mad. even my kids complain about it.
 

hatton920

Banned
No - I'm not talking about borders like that Hiro - more like huge great black borders at the top, bottom AND sides- so the picture in the middle is about 60% of the actual screen!! It's hard to describe.

PS blackbolt - nice gamertag :D

Any pics?
 

Munkey Boy

Distinguished Member
No - I'm not talking about borders like that Hiro - more like huge great black borders at the top, bottom AND sides- so the picture in the middle is about 60% of the actual screen!! It's hard to describe.

PS blackbolt - nice gamertag :D
...and sides as well as top and bottom?!? OK, well, that's not right obviously!
 

screemer

Active Member
Another weird problem is regarding black levels. I ran the THX optimizer on star wars as i did on my PS3. When i get to the test with the THX logo and the drop shadow, i cant actually see the logo to darken the shadow out, its just all black. On my PS3 i can see it clearly to adjust my settings???
 

Bigsmoke

Banned
I have the same problem however I just thought it was just down to the way the program/film was filmed?? ie all my dvd's with borders when I check the back of the boxes are all fullscreen, I dont get any borders on any widescreen presentations.
 

Comedy Activist

Active Member
More than likely its old DVDs that are Widescreen formatted picture encoded in a 4:3 frame.

Eg:
How we want it:


How some old DVDs are:


The main image + the darker grey areas are the 4:3 video frame and how its been encoded. Lots of wasted data used for black bars. The light grey bars are the area added by your TV to correctly frame the 4:3 image on the display. The 1st image is more efficient because the data contains only actual image data and no black bars.
 

ukkev2000

Active Member
Another weird problem is regarding black levels. I ran the THX optimizer on star wars as i did on my PS3. When i get to the test with the THX logo and the drop shadow, i cant actually see the logo to darken the shadow out, its just all black. On my PS3 i can see it clearly to adjust my settings???


That logo page does say that some players can't display the drop shadow - I see a THX but no shadow.
 

screemer

Active Member
I dont even see the logo
 

Indiana Jones

Moderator
If you cant see the logo then use the boxes that are at the top and bottom.
 

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