Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by Phil Hinton, Sep 9, 2003.
Is now up on the site and can be read here thanks to Matt Brown.
Oh and feel free to discuss here.
Very good review matt,
I do think sometimes that dts soundtracks are just 'louder',but to my ears this is not one of them!!I too compared against the original version,ableit the r1 dts version,and some of the surround moments were just mufled when the volume was turned up on the original!!!When playing back the superbit some of these effects/sounds just spring to life.Maybe my copy of JP on r1 was not as good as the r2 version,but i know this new version has so much more clarity than any previous edition,which actualy like you said,makes you feel like you are surrounded by all that is going on
Maybe the increased bitrate has actualy brought some of the best surround moments to life as maybe was intended!!!
Sorry for the rant
Must admit i'm very tempted to get both of the sequals,if the dts is as good as this one?Any chance of a review of these two,matt or phil?????
Will cover the other two discs in a few months.
I have to agree with you RE: actual clarity improvements and a more dynamic punch with this disc. Matt said he would be controversial.
Sorry to be picky but we all know that Batman was the first '12' film. I guess you mean '12A'.
Is this the first 1536kbps superbit? Or are they all full bitrate? How do you tell?
I think the "louder or more detailed?" argument is a tough one, and the two can be easily confused. Like I say, I describe what I hear, and although I don't believe the DTS track is any more detailed than the Dolby Digital, it's certainly better from having the channels mixed differently. Louder = better in this case.
Some of you may disagree I'm sure, and that's good
Feel free to be picky, I got the above one wrong
Hmm Phil can you edit that out of my review please
is there ever likely to be a dts jurassic park released here? ... i'm not too bothered with it being superbit or not (well i'd obviously prefer a full rate dts track) but as far as picture quality goes i havent got that big a display so that's less important.
don't particularly a) want to pay 27 quid for a dvd and b) have a japanese box/menu. any ideas on how long columbia japan hold the rights for?
Roadeh, you can pick up the R1 dts version of Jurassic Park for £13 from R1dvd.com - I've just ordered a copy so I can add a further comparison to the R2 superbit review.
The picture was the biggest disappointment on the superbit, with no perceivable improvement over the vanilla R2 version.
Remember columbia/japan holding the rights to this movie only affects whether it comes out on Superbit, not whether it has a dts soundtrack or not.
I wouldn't be surprised if its re-issued at some point with DTS, but not sure if it would be full bitrate (or even if that would make a difference).
Thanks for the review, I have the DTS R1 and will have the Jap Superbit soon, so i'll be doing my own comparison
I bought the R1 DTS version earlier this year and noticed that deep bass was almost non-existent (similar to what I found on the R2 DD version). I sent it back to Play for a replacement. The second one was much, much better.
It turned out that the first one they sent me was the defective Version 1 that drew all the criticism. The Version 2 had supposedly had it bass levels corrected.
The difference was night and day. I'll be interested to hear how your comparison of the Superbit vs. R1 DTS goes. Just need to make sure that it is R1 DTS Version 2 disc that you compare against.
I've just tried my R1 DTS version, and I have the one that's got very little LFE, it sound bl**dy aweful! It's been a long time since I bought it and watched it last, I didn't even have a subwoofer back then... If the superbit version isn't an improvement i'll eat my shoe
Your shoe is safe.
Both of them are safe
That's good, I want the feel the vibrations when I look at that cup of water
Play it in dts and you will....
"A Fantastic Popcorn Movie"??? (Quote from Matt's review)
For the Brain Dead maybe! Jurrassic Park is about a hell of a lot more than Popcorn & two hours of entertainement. Yes it works as a Popcorn movie, but it's like saying Saving Private Ryan is just an action movie...
Actually no it's not. It's like saying Star Wars is an uncomprehendable and ridiculous Sci-Fi movie...
Do I need to start posting my integral dissertations of the premise of Jurrassic Park just to refute this Popcorn Theory?
Otherwise, Top Review Matt
First and foremost it's a popcorn movie
You asked for it!...
Give me a while however, I've got to go eat my food
I'll post back later.
Absolutely spot on review Matt
I think a few people will still have some misconceptions
about which of the two sound formats is better after reading your review as they might have mis-interpreted your comments on the loudness of the dts track. Yes, the dts track is a lot louder than the dolby digital one yet again but not in the same way as most
dual dts/dd soundtracks. It's the mix that's different. As you pointed out, the LFE and surround channels have, at times,
been mixed considerably louder than the dolby digital version
to create more impact - and boy, does it work! So, on this disc,
the dts soundtrack wins easily due to the more enveloping mix.
What confuses me though is why the dolby digital soundtrack
lacks the presence that the dts so obviously has. There is no
reason that I can think of why the mixes couldn't have been the
same. To me, it all boils down to the sound engineers who re-mixed the dts track for this disc. They certainly know how to
create that feeling of exhileration through the use of sound!
My hat goes off to them - yet another superb job done by the
team at dts.
Or, could it be the fact that dts IS better than dolby digital?
ive just looked at my R2 JP disc its recorded at 768?? im using Power DVD to check the bitrate is this accurate?
I assume this is for the DTS Audio Transfer hdrees - in which case yes it is
Would there still be any difference if you simply upped the volume on the sub and surrounds with the DD track?
If you did that then then the whole sound would be out of balance. Only certain elements have been mixed louder on the
dts soundtrack to create more of an impact. That also includes
the front L/R.
thanx Dimmy for the confirmation
Matt, if memory serves me right make sure you have the corrected audio on your R1 DTS version of JP.
Something like CD22 in the middle of the disc.
On the inner hub you should see either PEMC 22 or PEMC D2R2. Also, specs on the back of the amaray case should have a red outline around them.
Having just just reviewed the Japanese Jumanji Superbit I noticed that the bitrate was most definitly 768 kb/sec (according to PowerDVD on my PC) as with all of my Superbits....... Is Jurassic Park really full bitrate?
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