Jeremy Hunt, new Health Secretary, supports homeopathy

karkus30

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MikeTV said:
Jeremy Hunt, the new Health Secretary, supports homeopathy:

Early day motion 1240 - NHS HOMEOPATHIC HOSPITALS - UK Parliament

As I've said before, so much for the enlightenment. What can we expect next? Witchcraft hospitals?

And so does Nick Clegg, Vince Cable and Dianne Abbott!

I believe George Osborne believes in the tooth fairy.

:facepalm:
Do they mean Homeopathy or alternative treatments ? I thought Homeopathy was given the red card years ago ? Again you see, taxpayer funding, this is exactly what we end up with. It endorses medicines and they are then free to raise the price of treatment. There are practices I would support but certainly not tax payer funded otherwise it's funding a growing quack culture. Endorse it if it's got real medical evidence of success, but leave it private.
 

karkus30

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MikeTV said:
Homeopathy.
Just because the way it was worded implied a broader base:

That this House welcomes the positive contribution made to the health of the nation by the NHS homeopathic hospitals; notes that some six million people use complementary treatments each year; believes that complementary medicine has the potential to offer clinically-effective and cost-effective solutions to common health problems faced by NHS patients, including chronic difficult to treat conditions such as musculoskeletal and other chronic pain, eczema, depression, anxiety and insomnia, allergy, chronic fatigue and irritable bowel syndrome; expresses concern that NHS cuts are threatening the future of these hospitals; and calls on the Government actively to support these valuable national assets.

Hmmm Assets.
 

MikeTV

Well-known Member
Just because the way it was worded implied a broader base:
Well, of course it does - "We support homeopathy and are against the millions starving in africa", or whatever. So everybody goes, "Yes - I'm against people starving in africa too". Job done.

But had you said "how about redirecting our precious NHS resources to unscientific quackery and charlatans" and then everyone would say "no way, José!".
 

MikeTV

Well-known Member
Forget that motion, the Sci & Tech committee later recommended no more NHS funding, but when Lansley took office he reversed the decision, after lobbying from Prince Charles who doesn't know how to :censored: off out of politics
I still think it speaks volumes about Hunt's lack of suitability for the role as Health Secretary, and Cameron's continued misjudgement.
 

EarthRod

Distinguished Member
I still think it speaks volumes about Hunt's lack of suitability for the role as Health Secretary, and Cameron's continued misjudgement.
Cameron = man of straw.

Which ever way the wind blows and whoever is whispering in his ear at the time.

Time for a change of leadership and a major cabinet reshuffle (if you know what I mean).
 

liamt

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Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle
Seems strange that Jeremy Hunt is getting a hard time for believing in homeopathy. The Education Secretary believes in God.

sums it up for me.

i will never vote for someone who believes in fairies.
 

krish

Distinguished Member
I'm probably alone in this view, but I think Hunt's okay, just too friendly and easily led .... whether it be with Murdoch/NI or that early day motion on homeopathy (from a Labour MP, the late Rudi Vis)
- just look at all the signatures from left, right, centre, nationalist, unionist, etc

As he believes it works, I agree it makes him unsuitable to be Health Sec.
 
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karkus30

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MikeTV said:
Well, of course it does - "We support homeopathy and are against the millions starving in africa", or whatever. So everybody goes, "Yes - I'm against people starving in africa too". Job done.

But had you said "how about redirecting our precious NHS resources to unscientific quackery and charlatans" and then everyone would say "no way, José!".
I'm not sure what you are getting at Mike. The heading which I have posted suggested it included things like acupuncture.
 

IronGiant

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Do they mean complimentary medicine which includes acupuncture and homeopathy, or homeopathy alone? I think that's the confusion.

Either way, to endorse homeopathy at all is an appalling step IMHO.
 

karkus30

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IronGiant said:
Do they mean complimentary medicine which includes acupuncture and homeopathy, or homeopathy alone? I think that's the confusion.

Either way, to endorse homeopathy at all is an appalling step IMHO.
It's all fitting together. There was a rumour that Cameron's connection with the Royal Family resulted in a telephone call to the Conservative party offices strongly suggesting that young David was given a job somewhere important.

HRH runs a series of charities that are supporting each other in such a way as you would have to wonder what's going on. He also sells homeopathic products under the Duchy Originals brand. Many of his not for profit companies have very nice renumeration packages for the CEOs. He created a council for alternative medicine and attempted to get alternative practitioners to register ( another money making scam by the looks of it ), it was closed down after it was put under investigation for money laundering. I note that Rothschild is involved in these trusts. The same Rothschild that sits on ATOS the organisation carrying out the disabled review, the same organisation that does all the Government IT and owns a chunk of BAE systems and the NP&I. That would be the same Rothschild that is rumoured to own the private part of the BoE along with the Royal Family.

No doubt no one would like to try to untangle that matted web of interests particularly if one is close to the Royal Family in the first place, so it's not surprising Cameron left it alone.
 
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johntheexpat

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In my book, homeopathy is fine for those who want it, but shouldn't be forced on those who don't. (So long as its cheaper than proper healthcare, of course).
If there are people out there who want to take sugar tablets for everything and rely on the placebo effect for results, why not? It should save the health service a fortune. Lets face it, half the problem with modern (scientific) healthcare is that its too effective at saving lives and for every life saved there will be huge on-going costs, as in further healthcare, continued pension payments etc etc. With homeopathy you have a cheap system that fails it's adherents miserably, once and once only. Its cheap and has on-going benefits for the rest of society.

But then I think smoking should be encouraged to reduce future pension liabilities and enhance government revenues.
 
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IronGiant

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suggesting that your David was given a job somewhere important.
Now I'm getting my cat suit on :D

He sure as hell isn't my David :laugh:

Claws at dawn? :)

I've tactically voted to try and keep the tories out of government all my life :p (since I was 18 I should add in case there is a pedant out there :))
 

Shipley

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I would have to say this is a total non issue - it is not going to prevent him doing the job.

Much more important was Ken Clarke getting kicked out of Justice - maybe we can get back to locking criminals up now rather than thinking of reasons for letting them out ever earlier.
 

karkus30

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IronGiant said:
Now I'm getting my cat suit on :D

He sure as hell isn't my David :laugh:

Claws at dawn? :)

I've tactically voted to try and keep the tories out of government all my life :p (since I was 18 I should add in case there is a pedant out there :))
Aww, it's this effin autocorrect on iPad. I dislike it even more than the state. Anyway it's back as Young David so you can put your scratching tools and fur suit back in its bag .......laughing happy smiley followed by winking smiley and tongue out smiley.
 
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krish

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I would have to say this is a total non issue - it is not going to prevent him doing the job.
Perhaps .... but if a significant amount of taxpayer's money is diverted to NHS homeopathy, whilst blockbuster cancer drug therapy is curtailed by NICE on the grounds of cost, that would be shameful
- I'd like to see the figures
 

Shipley

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Perhaps .... but if a significant amount of taxpayer's money is diverted to NHS homeopathy, whilst blockbuster cancer drug therapy is curtailed by NICE on the grounds of cost, that would be shameful
- I'd like to see the figures
Agreed. But unlikely.
 

IronGiant

Moderator
Aww, it's this effin autocorrect on iPad. I dislike it even more than the state. Anyway it's back as Young David so you can put your scratching tools and fur suit back in its bag .......:laugh::);):p


there you go :clap:

:)
 

IronGiant

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I would have to say this is a total non issue - it is not going to prevent him doing the job.

Much more important was Ken Clarke getting kicked out of Justice - maybe we can get back to locking criminals up now rather than thinking of reasons for letting them out ever earlier.
This thread is about health though :p
 

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