January 2018 Photo Competition - Launch and Discussion

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  1. Zone

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    Well done to Simian Sibling for winning December's Competition.

    The theme was "The Magic Number Three 3" which he won with this picture!

    He's now gone back to bed which is possibly where I might be heading; and no Jim we're not together o_O

    For the New Year; January's theme is Straight Out Of Camera (SOOC) :)

    The pictures can be of anything so a very open theme but no post processing is allowed bar straightening; I'd actually say even that is too much but lets leave it at that; obviously you can reduce the image size; 800 pixels along the longest edge is ideal; it's a little difficult to judge but we expect people to be honest :thumbsup:

    Just to be clear folks; a camera of any description is allowed be it a pro DSLR down to the camera on your phone; there is no restriction as long as EXIF data is recorded in the original file; lets make this the best year ever :)

    TBC Competition sponsor Gordon @ [​IMG] will offer his services of a free ISF calibration to a TV/Projector of your choice.

    Also the A4 print is back for the the winning picture.

    Terms and conditions for ISF Calibration prize:
    Prize: 1 x ISF calibration
    Only available on mainland uk
    Calibration will be done when Convergent are already in your area
    There is no cash alternative
    If winner is out with mainland UK then if travel costs are covered we will honour the prize

    Closing date Monday 29th January at 6'ish :)

    Happy New All :thumbsup:
     
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  2. Marika

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    That’s a nice theme :thumbsup: Yeah, hair of the dog and all that, Si! :D I’m fine thanks, I don’t drink, haha! Lets all have a fabulous 2018!
     
  3. Simian Sibling

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    It should be good. Let people take what they like while going a bit old school before digital [emoji106]
     
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    Good choice of theme :thumbsup: - anything goes. In camera covers a lot, not only lens, filters and color tweaks, also new fangled in- camera effects?
     
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  5. Simian Sibling

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    My thought was no digital enhancement or editing after the shot was taken.
    I’d say new fangled camera effects would be allowed while the photo was being taken but not after.

    Use what ever lens, filters or lighting you like [emoji1303]
     
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    ...effectively limitless :clap:
     
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    I love some of the in camera effects I have in my Sony. But I think I will try to do a few photos as plain as I can, aka, no in camera effects or anything, all just natural light etc. I like SOOC shooting.
     
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    :clap:
     
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    Oo, print! :smashin:
     
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    Nice theme, I've thought about choosing this in the past. I always watermark my images, which requires importing and exporting in Lightroom, would this be allowed?
     
  11. Marika

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    Tbh, I will be doing this. So if it’s not allowed, I can’t take part.
     
  12. markgodley

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    Don't know if it matters, but i have no objection to people watermarking and submitting it as an entry.
     
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    Can’t see a problem either. [emoji106]
     
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    Interesting theme - no restrictions other than no editing should make for some very varied subjects. I've got so used to shooting with the expectation of editing after the fact I may have to think quite hard before I click.
    Perhaps I'll crack out the Holga lens ;)
     
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    I assume we can use JPG versions and they don't have to be RAW's?

    Raw's obviously come out a bit flat, so might have to enable JPG's and submit one of those this time round.
     
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    Yep, I'll have to switch to JPEG too as I always shoot RAW which will look poo unedited ;)
     
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    Pretty sure jpeg is the way to go this month. Mostly likely you have lots of options of fine tuning the look and colors in camera for that.
     
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    What’s the reason for water marking? I remember we went back on forth on the pros and cons a while ago...
     
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    It makes you a professional doesn't it? ;)
     
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    I import photos to my pc via Lightroom, so they automatically go through it anyway. Not editing in this case IMO means not touching any of the sliders. You don't go adding or dropping anything. Just import the photo and then export it as a jpeg, that's what I always do to my photos as I always shoot raw. I still call them SOOC if I haven't done anything else to them. However, if I shoot with some in-camera filters, then there won't be a need to convert to jpeg as they will automatically be that anyway.
     
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    I'll stick my hand up and say that in-camera effects shouldn't be allowed either - otherwise why "block" PP an allow "PP" - and FWIW converting RAW's to Jpeg will also involve "PP" to an extent :( ?
     
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    I think this is all getting a bit out of hand. If importing via Lightroom and converting to jpeg is classed as post processing and doesn’t fit the theme, then I’ll sit out this month. I can easily agree with the in-camera effects though. That would be kind of cheating, as I can for example shoot tilt shift. That surely would not be ‘not processed ‘.
     
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    I'm glad that that's all been cleared up then :devil:
     
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    To keep it simple:

    How about SOOC that includes colour and monochrome images only.
    Images can be imported and exported as JPG's - which can include watermark only?
     
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    SOOC to me means just that, SOOC and should include any in camera effects that the camera has. To me importing to Lightroom and exporting without changing anything is not PP Imo, it's just a way of converting RAW to jpeg so that you can view/upload on the web.

    We could get really carried away with this tbh. At the end of the day jpegs are processed, just processed by the camera rather than by the user. Where do we draw the line? I have the option of shooting in a variety of picture controls such as standard, landscape, flat etc, I HAVE to choose one of these. What about Fuji shooters, they have film emulation instead of standard, landscape etc, should these not be allowed? In which case I don't think that Fuji shooters can enter as I don't think there's an option to shoot without a film emulation IIRC. Is mono not going to be allowed? On the rare occasion that I have shot jpeg I have customised my standard setting so that there's increased contrast and clarity, is this not allowed?

    Yes I know I've gone a bit OTT, but you see the point I'm making ;) :p The theme is SOOC, and Imo people should be allowed to use whatever tools they have at their disposal to get the image they want, except of course using in camera PP such as Nikon in camera RAW editing which is done after the event ;)

    Why is using tilt shift (miniature) cheating, it's just a tool that the camera has?
     
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    Hmm, this is a little difficult and perhaps some further clarification is required.

    As Jim said, if you shoot in RAW, as soon as you open that up in any software there is already post processing happening, and different software can apply it's RAW conversion differently. Even within lightroom there are different RAW conversion profiles which can be selected.

    So if you ignore RAW and go with Jpeg, well the same kind of thing is happening in Camera. Most camera's have different Jpeg settings (Standard, Vivid, Landscape, Mono etc) with various colour profiles, contrast, sharpness options which can be adjusted in Camera - so as already said, if it's OK to use them, what is the difference in the adjusting those in post processing software?

    Furthermore a "standard" jpeg profile in one camera is likely to be very different to a "standard" profile in another etc.

    Personally I am not convinced of the benefits/expertise/skill in SOOC shooting, all cameras have various (and different) limitations, the in camera adjusmtents and post processing options are there to help overcome those - especially if you are shooting a scene which has a high dynamic range...

    Perhaps it may be worth thinking about advising what can or can't be done rather than just saying SOOC which seems to be causing confusion and contention?

    I.e. you can adjust overall/global Exposure, Contrast (but no tone curves), Shadows, Saturation and White Balance for example but certainly no cropping, cloning, removing, adding or localised adjustments etc - just a thought?
     
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    Doesn't LR actually do some stuff on import too? Sharpening etc? Honestly, i don't know everything it does on import by default.

    @Zone - definitely some clarification needed here. Ideally before Friday as that's when i'm planning my shoot :D
     
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    LR only edits the image on import if you tell it to. Yes by default it does add some sharpening (25 IIRC) but you can turn this off, or slide it to 0. However, RAW files don't look good. Very soft without any form of sharpening (we don't tend to notice this as most have the default sharpening in LR) and tend to be flat and lifeless. I won't be shooting RAW for SOOC shots, but YMMV :smashin:
     
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    TBH, I like the idea of shooting SOOC in terms of not being able to change the image after the event so that you have to get the composition, lighting etc etc spot on and not rely on the tremendous sensors we have these days that allow us to rescue poorly taken pics etc.

    However, I watched a program last year on BBC (The History of Photography or something like that) and I was amazed at how far back PP goes, they even PP'd wet plates :eek: It made me realise that this while SOOC thing that people strive for has never really existed for photographers over and above the casual shooter. PP has always been, and will always be a part of photography. My only fear is that in the future you will me able to manipulate any photos to get any result that you want, and the art of actually taking the shot will be lost, i.e. you will be able to point and click then choose the focus point, depth of field, lighting, etc etc after the event. A lot of this is already making it's way in.
     
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    The problem with that is, as you have identified, some Cameras have an array of in Camera processing options and some that other cameras won't have - which doesn't really create a level playing field...
     

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