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Its The School Holidays Again, Do You Know Where Your Kid Is Right Now?

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  1. stealther

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    Its The School Holidays Again, Do You Know Where Your Kid Is Right Now?

    .......Probably out Stealing Bicycles. :mad: :mad:

    So yesterday I sore a kid get run over outside my office window he then got up and attacked the driver! :mad:

    This morning through the same window I sore a man try to prevent another kid from riding off with someones bicyle only for him to get bitten by the verminous animal. :mad:

    Finally Five minutes ago my other half rings me distraught that her Bike has been stolen from outside work. CCTV footage shows a young lad about 13 - 15 yrs :mad:
    She has had it just over a week having just been replaced by Insurance company as her old bike was stolen out of the shed by four 14 year old lads. :(

    So five more weeks to go so should have no possesions left by then. :mad:

    These kids are vermin and If I had my way they would be exterminated like vermin!

    But thats never going to happen because for some reason the people in charge of our feeble judical system live on the planet liberalum where no one has ever been a victim of crime, So any individual commiting a crime must have a very good reason and so need to be nurtured and rehabilitated, which will in turn make them greatfull for the attention and naturally make them turn over a new leaf and become valuable members of society!! Bullsh*t!

    Seriously tho whats to be done about the youth in this country where is society going wrong? Why didnt I behave like this as a child? Somebody must be able to do something I am completely losing faith in society :rolleyes:
     
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    Nothing because you cannot touch them, and they know it.
    There is a difference between protecting a child and an other giving them cart blanch to anything.
    They probably come out with there is nothing to do, yet probably more to do than there ever has.
    Parent that only have kids to stay of work and collect all the benefits yet will not take responsibility.

    Corporal punishment in schools, yes I’m going to get a negative response on that from certain quarters but look at the way things have gone since it was stopped.
     
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    I spoke to the guy who was bitten, huge chap, he said he thought about swinging his fist and taking the little sh*tes head off, but new he would have been in loads of trouble!

    I have to agree on corporal punishment although not around when I was at school it was the fear of what your Dad would do to you if they had a report you had been stealing! That kept you on the right side of the law. :)

    I just got home from work and 4 doors up from me lives a couple with 2 girls approx 8 and 12 yrs. The Father comes out and barks them into the house the oldest was on a bike he told her to leave it there. She said why and he said its not yours I ve never seen it before its not coming in this house!

    Well ordinarily I would have ignored this but given the events of today I had to say something so I went over and asked who the bike belongs to he said he didnt know they probably found it. Take it if you want he said! I said that if it was my daughter I would demand to know where the bike came from so as to make sure it had an owner and the owner new of its whereabouts! At this point he turned nasty and told me to get of his drive in not so many polite words :rolleyes:
    I made my way back down the street and came inside when I carmed down I decided togo and get the bike and then give the police a call see if it had been knicked. Suprise Suprise the bike was not there!
     
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    Bingo! The current generation of teenagers is screwed because respect, courtesy and corporal punishment went out the window 20 years ago. The 80's teenagers didn't get pulled back in line; now they're raising their own kids with no idea how to set boundaries. :mad:

    Roll on the end of the (once) great British nation. :thumbsdow
     
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    Still rather live here than SA though right?

    I wouldn't fancy being carjacked, or having to put barbed wire along my back garden wall, or bars across my windows :eek:

    Although it'll be like that here in 20 years time probably.
     
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    To late! The rear of my property is now covered in barbed wire to try and prevent further trespass!
     
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    At least you can still protect yourself and your property from attack, without ending up in the dock yourself. :lesson:

    If a kid tried to steal my bike in SA and he bit me, I'd be perfectly entitled to knock his block off. The coppers would (probably eventually) turn up and the kid would get lobbed in the van. Likely get another beating when he got home from his Dad. Would he try to nick another bike next school holiday?

    The UK in 20 years? It might well be as bad as SA, but any law-abiding citizen will just have to bend over and take it. Then take it again from the little buggers lawyers if you try to stop 'em. Thank that tart Cherie and other green-thinking blind, left-handed, liberal lesbians before her. :thumbsdow
     
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    I've been guilty many times of branding all kids as loud mouthed ignorant yobs, but for every one that is like this there are at least 2 nice ones - it's just that the bad ones are worse than the bad ones when we were kids. The problem lies with the parents of a lot of these kids who don't give a damn about them.
     
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    I got home last night to find a young lad had just p*ssed outside my front door...he only lives up the road...he said it wasn't him as he tied up the drawstring on his trousers....little ****!

    seems that his parents were both at work...

    shouldn't really complain as I done exactly the same thing when I was about his age...
     
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    I think the main difference is that when we used to do those sorts of things we used to run off afraid of being caught, now the ones who do it just stand there and give you loads of verbals as they believe they are untouchable.
     
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    I think its a combination of many factors:

    Discipline -

    In order to protect vulnerable children from abuse, campaigns and laws have been created to stop the use of corperal punishment for children.
    It is explained to us that you should not smack a child to discipline them, as it as negative connatations and an alternative is available. The problem is, that the physcological techniques required to discipline a child so that they understand consequencies takes a reasonable amount of skill.
    Managing to communicate to a young child that it has done wrong in a meaningful way, whilst preventing the children from repeated a potentially dangerous act requeries an amoury of techniques that need to be taught.
    Many parents simply don't understand how they work, and many would still not grasp the concepts correctly even if shown.

    .... so whilst we are removing one form of parental control - we are replacing it with one that is not available / functional for the majority of parents.
    So we now have children that know they don't get punished in any meaning full way when they do wrong.

    Fear -

    Alot of parents now see other adults as potential threats to their children - due to the publicity surrounding paedophiles, terrorists, violent crimes .... the perception is that everyone is out to get you.
    This often translates to parents going on the defencive when anyone 'attacks ' their children - be it verbally or physically. While someone might be trying to help a child or tell them off for doing something dangerous or destructive, the parental response is often to see this as either a threat or an inditement of their parenting skills. "Don't you talk to my child that way!!" etc.

    Modern Lifestyles -

    Social interaction with other kids, clubs, going off exploring and learning ... are all restricted things now adays in a society lead by fear ( see above )
    With kids not learning to socialise correctly due to being kept in till they are older, when they do finally hit the streets so to speak, they have not the earlier grounding in learning whats right and wrong when interacting with others in society.
    When you are little, you can't do alot of damage and when and adult shouts at you, you are often scared - for a teenager that has not experienced this with non family adults , because they have been kept 'safe', they are suddenly similar sizes to adults, capable of violence and destruction and don't
    fear anyone ... especially as they now all know the police can't do anything.

    When you add that to parents havign to work and not being able to spend significant amounts of time with their children, you get kids walking the streets, not scared of the law and other people, unsupervised often defending by the parents because of their fear of 'strangers' ... and also their own guilt and not wanting to face up to being 'bad parents'

    Its not just kids from socially deprived, uncarring parents ..... kids will test the boundaries, its what they do.
     
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    Good post EG. :thumbsup:

    Now, where's my cane! :D
     
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    Agreed

    We dont see the nice ones though cause they are not hanging around street corners. There parents have them engaged in safe activities somewhere away from the influence of scum bags :)
     
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    At my son's age, ten, I would cycle miles from home, be out all day, play on a building site at weekends and get caught scrumping then generally get on with life.

    I would not dream of letting my son play out of sight now and I regret it. How is he going to develop social and geographical awareness? If he falls off his bike we will be there to help him - I had to learn myself to pick myself up and get on with it.

    It will be payback time again in the future and I don't know what the cost will be!
     
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    multiple counts of Trespass and Theft...shame on you... ;)
     
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    I went to Tesco yesterday lunch time and saw this kid (probably 5 or 6 year old) with a Mohican haircut lying down on the floor right across the isle. I really don't think it's right to be giving/allowing a kis of that age to have such a radical haircut as you usually find they start acting like they think they should do with it . The kid was with his grandmother who shouted at him to get up. He walked over to the shelf next to him, grabbed a handful os sweets, undid the button on his trouser pocket, stuffed the whole lot in and buttoned them up. Fortunately the grandmother saw this and told him to put them back otherwise she would tell the store manager about it.
    From the way he did that, it seemed quite obvious that it was not the 1st time and I would imagine that when he goes shopping with his mother she either doesn't notice or doesn't care what he does. What chance has that kid got of growing up proper with his mother ?
    Or am I just showing my age ?
     
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    You should have stood on his throat.
     
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    I have a 'mohican' haircut most of the time mate.... I only shave it off when I'm meeting a new client. Does that make me socially undesireable in some way?

    It does in the eyes of the police, that is certainly without doubt...! :D
    But then they used to think the same way about 'black men' didn't they...?

    If the kid had dreadlocks, do you honestly think he would have have been sat rolling a joint instead?

    It's just a hairstyle these days, copied from footballers, actors whoever...
    It's the parents, not the hairdresser, who make for poorly behaved kids..

    I had a serious car accident in January, and based solely on the haircut I was wearing, one of the <ahem> 'witnesses' at the scene told the Police, as i lay dying in front of them all, that he had seen me drinking in the local pub all day!!!

    Prejudice in all forms is quite simply evil.
     
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    Yes but you're not 5 years old are you ? It also annoys me when 5 year olds (and younger) have their ears pierced, it's all the parents choice at that age as the kid is not old enough to decide what they want. It's the parents allowing the kids to look so different at such an early age that will cause problems.
    My barber is always moaning about young mothers bringing their kids in to have "****ty haircuts" over the summer holidays :D
     
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    I could never agree on the hairstyle thing... it grows out in weeks whatever you do to your hair.. what you look like is no reflection on your character, and shouldn't ever be used to judge..?

    However, parents putting ear-rings.. or permanent tattoo's on kids.... don't even get me started down that path :devil:
     
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    The latest fashion accessory .... a kid.

    Once upon a day, people used to be ashamed if there children acted up in public ... they got embarassed about their lack of ability to control a child.

    ....... I regularly see more and more parents not giving a toss .. when little jonny and jessica are running around causing bloody mahem, touching other peoples property, pokeing or kicking other peoples bags or shins ....

    About 'the' most important social skill is respecting other people and their property ... something a seemingly large percentage of children are not being taught because their parents are too busy, too distracted or too confrontational with 'strangers'
     
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    I think you if you give a young kid a skin head crop he will act up to it and play the hard man............it makes them look thuggish and they act thuggish.........now they may well be thuggish anyway but give them the look too and they will use it to intimidate.
    By the way i thought that Ethics post was excellent and 100% accurate.
    We were in the supermarket the other day and saw a youngish mother (mid 20's i would guess) with 4 kids and another on the way. One of the youngsters was crying a bit...here response was to grab it by the wrist, force it down to the ground and yell ....."that's right you F*****g cry"...she then walked of it and left it there.
     
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    so exactly what hairstyle did the abusive mother have then? :rotfl:

    I'm in full agreement with Ethics Gradient ( a first? :D ) but then his argument is based on logic, not good old fashioned British prejudice.

    Do you seriously believe that black kids will grow up as drug dealers? that kids who need glasses are more intelligent? that blondes are all stupid?

    shame on you, both of you.
     
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    No, shame on you for turning this into a prejucide argument. I'm going by personal experience of what myself and others did when we had a skinhead haircut in the 70s when everyone else had long hair. You act to your image when you are younger.
     
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    thats not what I'm saying at all dude......i am not racist and clearly it's wrong to sterotype anybody but lets be honest it's not just the haircut itself but it's what the haircut tells you about that kid and more importantly the parents that allow it.
     
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    A Mohican or a Huron? In The Last of the Mohican’s all the Mohican’s had a full head of hear but it was the Huron had the stripy bit in the middle. See here http://www.michtoy.com/MTSCnewSite/figures_kits_folder/PiliPili/PiliPili_images/fa08.html

    I think (could be wrong) but it is a misconception. Just like Billy the Kid was the left handed gun it only was reported this after a cock-up in printing, of a drawing of him on the cover of a book and the mistake stuck.

    :oops: off topic. ;)
     
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    and apparently Huron is a derivative of the old native american word "haironthemiddlebit" :)
     
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    i find the best way to handle the little chavs were i live is to give as good as you get, i've kicked them off bikes before now (oh sorry mate i didn't see you there, are you ok, oh i'm sorry i just trod on your leg" :D) my brother found a 12 year old sleeping in his back garden a few weeks ago so he and my sister in law picked him up and dropped him over the back fence. there are times when you just have to make a stand.

    i've long been an advorcat of putting all children (yes yours as well dear reader) into camps from the age of 5, removed from parents in order to make life better for everyone else. some of the worst behaved kids i've met have been from "good" homes. I'd also make it compulsary for all adults to have an parenting test - it you fail then you are sterilised the same day.

    i know these ideas are extreme - but i dont care! :D

    i'd make Stalin look like human rights activtist if i had the choice :devil:

    gary
     
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    You should need a license to breed......
     
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    Nearly every Saturday I pass a shop and there is shop where you can see very small children having there ears pierced right up to the window. It makes me sick that they are doing this to small children.
    I do not like women having done let alone children who do not know they are really doing or worse a parent forcing it on a child.
     

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