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Discussion in 'Televisions' started by dalespitfire, Jan 17, 2005.

  1. dalespitfire

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    Tosh arrived this morning. :D

    All I can say is WOW. Coupled to the Panny S97 the picture is just superb. :eek:

    Watching newer films with CGI (I-Robot, Day After Tomorrow, Lost in Sapce) the picture is Crystal. Even watching older stuff (Tron, Back To The Future 1/2/3), the Panny and Tosh breathe new life into them. :clap:

    Good news is - no blurring seen (though I can force rainbows if I really do try). :thumbsup:

    Bad news is that I have found a few dead "pixels" on the set. These are only visible on the blue background screen and not during viewing, but they are there none the less. :(

    Can some of you guys duplicate this for me and see if you can see them too? :lease: I have already reported it and I'm waiting for a swap out.

    Other bad news is that my DVD player arrived as a region 2, not mult-region as purchased, so that is also getting swapped out. :thumbsdow

    Still, I'm really chuffed with the setup and have no regrets at picking the Tosh. :smashin:

    What settings are you guys now running on by the way?

    Cheers all......
     
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    glad its finally arrived for you :thumbsup:
    :censored: how many films have you watched since this morning!!!! lol
    or have you just been flicking through your collection :)
     
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    Just flicking dude :laugh:

    Got Wednesday off so intending to do some serious watching then.

    Going to give Van Helsing the once over tonight. :D
     
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    Anyone any comments as to their preferred settings. :lease:

    Picture through hdmi on the panny is superb :smashin: but I am seeing the dreaded blurring over SKY+ :(

    Seems worse on Corrie than anything else.....I reckon I can certainly improve the pic.

    So, I'm looking for some settings suggestions. In particular from Phunt - I remember the shots of Jackie Brown you took looked superb :smashin:
     
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    i for one have tried everything there is to try but you are not going to get away from the fact that if it is crap in (corrie) its gonna be crap out!!! i have had this telly for what seems like ages now but cannot get rid of it no matter how hard i try the only thing i can say is you get use to it.....BUT its a very hard pill to swallow when father in law comes and says he is glad he has a bush if this is how they look :clown: just wait to hidef i tell myself
     
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    Spose you are right. Hi Def is the reason we all bought this TV :D .

    I agree about crap in crap out, but I'm just curious about settings - especially Phunt's, as he appears to have a reasonable image.
     
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    :laugh: :laugh: ive yet to tell the wife about the pq of corrie through the set ah well i soon heal :laugh:
    i read in a earlier thread about different sky boxes giving different results pq wise i think but might be mistaken that most seemed to think the pace box gave a better picture over the amstrad would be curious about this as to weather its worth experimenting with digiboxes and sky+
     
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    Hi Dalespitfire, you finally got it!

    I have also just watched The Day After Tommorrow - and i agree it is totally superb! The effects coupled with the large screen and crystal clear images, really brought the film allive, especially the opening seen flying over Antarctica, and also the scene during the tornado when the cars were flyring towards the camera - i had to swerve out of the god damn way!!!

    I havn't spent much time on the picture settings yet - as i've been more interested in getting the 7:1 surround sound set up correctly, but here they are as currently set:-

    Contrast 70
    Brightness 50
    Colour 70
    Tint 0
    Sharpness 0
    DNR 2
    Black Stretch On
    Colour Temperature Cool
    Lamp Mode Low

    As for the DVD player, i've got the Denon 2910 so these settings won't apply, however one recommendation i would make is to have the HDMI output set to y cb cr as opposed to RGB. The reason for this is, take a look at Gladiator at the beginning, when Maximus is walking through the field, whilst he's looking at the robin, if you've got it on HDMI RGB, then the picture is really dark, and there are a lot of shadows around his eyes which make his eyes look really strange, and also around his chin, take a look at the shadows there, they have a green tint! But, switch it over to HDMI y cb cr, and the picture is really rich and colourfull, with just the right amount of shadow.

    I posted over in the DVD forums, and they told me that HDMI RGB is mainly for text on projection screens.

    Soni
     
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    Hi Dale,
    Glad you have joined us on the tosh tv side. i found that with the tosh, its easy to se up several viewing memories setup , thereby if you feel in a romantic mood you could have either the Tosh settings from the remote control or even use the S97 controls to switch over different settings.

    Either way,I am glad you have got your set now,although i feel for you for having to wait for both swaps.

    BTW ,,,, Did anyone see the BBC documentary '' Natural World '' The Snake Hunter last week.
    It was a sky feed ,which channel I cant remember but the images and fast panning of the camera was AWESOME. I will definately try to remember to watch the next Natural world film from BBC.

    all the best
    maidstoneman39s
     
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    Thanks for those Soni. Not yet worked out how to store more than one picture setting on the Tosh so will have a play today.

    Mort - I have the V1 pace box but am considering upgrading to a 160....

    Any more settings guys?
     
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    Just a quick note to say that DNR can cause considerable blurring/smearing artefacts on poor sources.. especially Corrie/Eastenders..

    Always try and live with it on as low as possible a setting although in my experience, anything above ''1' makes smearing occur on poor feeds..
     
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    Guys,

    I'm currently running these and I'm getting used to them.

    Anyone anything similar?

    Contrast: 67
    Brightness: 45
    Color: 42
    Tint: -2
    Sharpness: 20
    DNR: 0
    Color temp: Normal
    Black Stretch: On
    Lamp: Low
     
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    So dalespitfire are you happy with the set, with both normal tv viewage and and dvd's. I dont know whether to get one or not i have been connsidering it for 3 weeks
     
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    Hi Schnipps.

    I just can't express how good the PQ on this set is for me running DVD's through HDMI. It makes everything look good, especially CGI related stuff. :thumbsup:

    Sport to my eyes looks fine too. I watched the live cricket and tested out 5 mins of the Reading cup match on Sky last night. No probs with blurring or clipping and no blockiness that I could see. As for the standard terrestrial channels over sky, I'm afraid to say that I do see the blurring. :thumbsdow It was particularly bad on Corrie last night, but most other progs were okay.

    As stated I've since tweaked my settings based on advice from one of our American cousins, so I'll see what I get tonight...... :)

    If I had to give you advice it would be to try to get somewhere you can see this thing running all the sources you intend to put through it. If it's possible ( I guess it is), If you have Sky+ then I'd tape Corrie, and take your box into Comet and run it over the Tosh.....see what you can see. :smashin:
     
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    I don't think the Sky+ will playback without a feed, might be wrong :thumbsdow
     
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    cheers, dont have sky + so cant do that. Its a hard decision, its either the 36" sony crt for 1500 or the tosh dlp or the toshiba 36" crt. Just worried i get the tosh46 and find the pq of normal tv rubbish, i will not be able to live with it.

    I dont have a hd dvd player and wont be buying one for a while so im beginning to think if i should hust give the 46 a miss, as i would br using its best features
     
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    Dalespitfire: Damn you! I checked my Tosh a couple of days ago whilst it was displaying a blue screen - rather quickly and not looking that hard - and couldn't find ANY dead pixels - but last night i went over it again with a fine tooth comb - whilst it was displaying a blue screen again - with my nose right up against the screen and have found 1 black pin prick which i assume is a dead pixel. Its a little black dot, about the size of a pin prick, right smack bang in the middle of the screen and right between the cross section of the pixel joints.

    Have you got your set exchanged yet? I can't see this pixel unless i'm looking within 6" of the screen with blue screen on. I might leave it, as i've read elsewhere on this forum that somebody had the Sharp LCD panel with one dead pixel, they got it exchanged and the new one has 5!

    I certainly wouldn't be happy if that happened to me!
     
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    I think somewhere in the front of the manual is says something about acceptable number of dead pixels is expected and is not a fault.
     
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    Yes it says: 'The display panels are manufactured using an extremely high level of precision technology, however sometimes some parts of the screen may be missing picture elements or have luminous spots. This is not a sign of a malfunction'.

    I just wonder what they mean by 'sometimes'. Do they mean in some sets or do they mean sometimes on a particular set but not all the time. Mine is there all of the time, and i've actually got two not one. One just off centre left, and the other bottom right hand corner right near the edge of the frame.

    I would be interested in knowing of any other owners who have dead pixels on their sets. You have to be 'nose close' to the set to notice it, and it helps if you've got a static image like the blue screen or play a DVD and wait for a bright screen and pause and check.

    It doesn't notice at all when in use, only when its paused on a particula scene, or a blank screen, but if it is a problem thats going to get worse, and if other users don't have dead pixels then i want an exchange - as one of the reasons i got DLP instead of Plasma was because i thought there was not so high a chance of getting dead pixels!
     
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    Well im ordering mine on wednesday from a local specialist tv outlet, managed to get it down to 1700 with delivery setup and 2 year warranty covering everything including bulb. So only a bit more than empire direct but from a shop instead of faffing online and an extra 1 year warranty.
     
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    Alright boys.

    So it aint just me then!!

    I had seen the description at the front of the manual but I still wanted S&V to check this with Toshiba.

    It's the little mirrors that stick so they aren't showing colours, hence you get a black spot. I've found 3, but I can't see them unless I am looking for them, so they don't interfere with viewing.

    I'm expecting a call back on Monday as to whether the set is going back, but like Soni says, what happens if I get one with 6 dead spots!?
     
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    Got mine for 1549 - Comet at Greenwich did me a price match.

    Regarding the dead pixels. I've just been to my local Comet at Aylesford in Kent, and took a look at the Sagem Axium. I switched the screen onto a HI Def screen which was really bright white, and had my eyes right up close to the screen. The salesman came along and asked if i'm allright - i think he thought i was blind. I said to him i'm looking for dead pixels - and guess what? I found 6 in the space of about 5" - they were in the top right quarter of the screen, and thats not the only place, there were also about another 6-8 scattered over the left hand side of the screen - I'm certainly not bothered at all now about my two pixels - as one is off centre to the left, and the other one is right at the bottom of the screen almost touching the frame. Both are not noticeable from over 6 inches away.

    Certainly aint going chance getting mine exchanged - looks like i've got an allright set comparing!

    By the way, i'm not having a pop at the Sagem - its just they didn't have the Tosh on display - i understand the pixel issue is on all DLP's, plasmas, and lcd's.
     
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    I tried comet, none of them round here have it and they only price match to within 10 miles which is no good. As for the dead pixel thing i wouldnt worry about it soni, its really just not worth the hassle of getting it changed. If mine has any it wont bother me unless they are glaringly obvious from 2-3 feet away.
     
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    Schnipps: You certainly won't be dissapointed with the Tosh DLP. Although i don't watch any terrestrial TV, i was worried about Digital TV, because i had heard how bad some of the channels were. I was prepared for it to be terrible, but to be perfectly honest, it really aint that bad at all - its not crystal clear, but it certainly is no where near as bad as the sets you see in store - very watchable indeed. DVD - is awsome - especially through HDMI - i wouldn't worry about the blurring either - this was another major worry of mine after testing Gladiator in store (if you've read my other posts you'll realise what i mean) but i've watched Spiderman 2, The Day After Tommorrow and i havn't seen any of that type of blurring at all. I watched Shrek 2 this morning with my daughter, and noticed a bit of blurring on one of the characters head whilst panning but it was a slight blurr, and NOT the thing that goes on in Gladiator. After owning the set for a couple of weeks now, and watching many DVD's, i personally think the Gladiator thing must be down to the DVD itself, as i have not seen anything like it on any other DVD.

    It may sound strange but i wasn't really looking forward to receiving mine due to worrying that i might have made the wrong decision - what with the blurring issues that was surrounding this set at that time, but look forward to yours, because i can assure you that you'll be happy you bought it!
     
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    Gone over mine (Tosh) with a blue screen from quarter of an inch away and apart from now seeing everything witha bleu tint have no dead pixels.
     
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    Hi Lads, been busy with work so been outta the loop, ok, now not sure if im getting used to it, but my tosh SEEMS to be getting better with the oil/blurs issues. I know it could be ive got used to it, but im wven happier with it now, and some documentrys with animails and nice places look awsome, esp some of the sunsets ive seen, blown away tbh....I had to change my panny dvd due to some glitchs i had, but happy as hell now. I stll get some panning blurs, even on a few rare DVDs, but can honestly say im more than happy...

    My pennies worth...also, missed ya all :hiya:

    Del
     
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    i know what you mean del
    ive had mine a week now and after the initial couple of days of messing with the settings etc the blurring does seem to have settled down quite a bit its as if it needed running in
    corrie is still a bit of a culprit but b4 i got my set i was getting worried that through sky the tosh was going to be unwatchable but nothing of the sort
    yes still get a bit of blurring does it detract from the viewing, for me no fingers crossed up to now this has been 1 of the best av buys ive ever made :thumbsup:
     

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