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  1. Layne RIP

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    Are these like rocking horse poo or what???

    I'm trying to get myself in to the It business but am having no luck as most of these guys that offer training want you to already have a laundry list of qualifications.

    Can anybody give me some advise on what to do and where to look?
     
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    Try and get a Customer service job in an IT call centre you probably be able to leap into a more technical role quite quickly. Big IT companies such as IBM recruit IT staff without any formal quals all the time. Trouble is the training is naff/no existent.

    Manpower employ permanent staff and place them in IT jobs around the country many of these require little or no IT experiance.
     
  3. pragmatic

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    Contact local companies and try and get them to take you on, if you contact companies directly they will repect you and more than likely consider you.
    You have to understand that you will need the skills required, and these usualy come from qualifications, find what skills the job you require and learn them and produce some material using them will impress. E.g. web desginer make a website, using the latest tools like XML and CSS.

    What area of IT are you interested in?
     
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    The IT market is picking up at the moment. However, it does have geographical bias. Where are you based?
     
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    Loads in London, crap pay though.
     
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  7. Layne RIP

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    In in Aldershot in Hampshire... i must admit doing the whole comute to London (although it's a direct route from here) doesn't appeal to me much.

    I really want to get in to the repair / troubleshooting aspect of it (systems engineer).... and i really want someone to train me up to MCSE standard... but no luck finding that at the mo.
     
  8. Chumpy

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    If you have a choice about it and are just starting out - do anything other than IT - seriously. The market in general is ok, but the long term prospects suck. Plus the market is pretty flooded at the moment with all the big IT companies laying off staff.
     
  9. pragmatic

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    Can't you do courses on this at your local college, you can deffinity do cisco certification amoung others, you may find that your gonna have to put your self out a bit at least for a while.
     
  10. Layne RIP

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    I've actually started an ECDL (european computer driving licence)... but at the moment don't have any work... doing anything.

    I'm looking at going on to do an A+ and a Network +.... but all of this will take some time and i'm not getting any younger... it's taken me this long to find something i want to do... hell i only left school 12 years ago, it's not bad going really.
     
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    Work in London - loose 4 hours a day travelling to/from work - usually a lot better pay - but not worth sacrificing the quality of life IMO. Been there, done that. Ok for a couple of years when you're young, but it gets tiring real quick.

    In general if you want to do repair /field engineer type jobs they ain't going to be even thinking about an MCSE.

    If you're doing first line support or call centre it's unlikely they will consider this before 1-2 years work and in any case you probably could have learnt more than that in that time. IT qualifications in general are only good for sorting job applicants for interviews - not much else. You may be better off looking for smaller companies rather than the bigger ones.
     
  12. pragmatic

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    Isn't ECDL just a software based qualification saying you can use MS Office like any monkey? I did clait IBT when i was younger really didn't do much for me, anyone can learn the same stuff just playing arround with office

    The other qualifications all seem decent though and are stuff you can use!
     
  13. Layne RIP

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    Well a lot of jobs want you to be ccomputer literate.. and although i basically know how to use it all etc... it'd be good to be able to show them a nice piece of paper sayin that i can.. after all they like paper these employers.
     
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    I disagree with that. The number of calls that would not be made to IT helpdesks if companies sent users on courses like this, would save millions each year. There are more 'Monkeys' that haven't got a clue than have.

    Layne, the ECDL is a good start, but you will need to chose something a bit more specialist to earn the money, and secure a long term job.
     
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    Very good point! I suppose some companies would want a piece of paper to prove you can breath and walk strait if there was one for it.

    Yea also a very good, point, pretty much growing up with computers I forget that alot of people don't have the inate ability to understand things that are quite simple to those that have used similar applications or user interfaces in the past (maybe cos they have no experience of any of the past things anyway)

    I was once told a story of someone on a simialr course to the driving licence thing, were they were using the mouse and when the mouse got to the end of the mat instead of lifting sticking it on the the end of the mat and contiuing to move, to get the pointer to where it was needed. This person grabed a book and placed it next to the mat and moved the mouse onto that, and then again ... so i suppose it just goes to show, not everyone thinks the same way.
     
  16. Layne RIP

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    Well mrtbag... it is just a start to help me get on track, after all the more cetificates i can show someone the more chance i have of getting that job...
    I have been using computer since the BBC's were around so i'm not bad with them but i only have my word at the mo to say that.. as well as some courses want you to have an understanding of computers and would insist you did something like an ECDL to begin with... it does cover quite a lot and isn't bad for £25. :thumbsup:
     
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    My advice would be to approach a local company and offer to work for them free of charge evenings/weekends, you get the experience/training & they get to look at a potential employee.

    Another way would be to join the Civil Service, take the training for a few months then leave.

    A good analagy I heard when looking for an IT job;

    "Your qualifications get you into the lift, your experience tells you which floor you can get off at".
     
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    Good analagy... i know i need both... that's why i could do with a job, to give me the experience.... money would be nice too.. :D

    The trouble is the area i want to go in to i would need direct training really... being able to work with someone teaching you is priceless... you can pick up so much more than in a class room.
    But it is convincing someone to give me a chance.
     
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    Get out while you can. It's not what it used to be.....
     
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    I'm with Chumpy. Don't even bother looking for MCSE training for two reasons:

    1 - as Chumpy says, at the level your looking it's not needed.

    2 - The market a few years ago was flooded with numpties that do "crash course" MCSE training. These allowed you to have a bloody good chance of passing an MCSE in as little as a week or two. Problem is, they taught you how to pass the exams, not use knowledge. Since these days MCSE's are pretty much rubbished and any job that requires this sort of knowledge WILL require an "in house" written test.



    Others have recommended call centers etc. These are all good starting places. Don't worry about qualifications, experience counts for far, far more than any qualification.

    My qualifications on paper?

    Well, i've attended various MS courses, IBM AS/400 and Lotus Notes. Chuck in a few Novell (how I wish these were still usefull!) , and all at a cost of the employer who was willing to invest in me. What certification did I have for the employer to trust me to get these jobs that financed the courses?

    None.

    What Certification do I choose to have on my CV now?

    None.

    What am I doing now? Building airports (IT division) and on a six figure salary.

    Certification in my experience is nothing more than its own glossy fire fuel. :rotfl:

    I started at 17 as an AS/400 operator which, basically means, an untrained monkey. The only experience I had in an office at that time was ... nothing. Computing experience though? Well, to be fair I had a bit ... C64 and 680x0 assembler including writing games and viri, dis-assembling/hacking in my spare time after going to school.


    Morale of the story: Take what ever you can get, start out with anyone that will get your foot in the door. If you have the ability to learn and like learning/using computers you will grow and leap frog into much better jobs very quickly. If you have no computer experience then by all means, grab a week's evening course or similar but, don't waste your time with CISCO or MCSE's. Problem is with the evening courses at your local uni/college is that you will probably already know all they will show you!


    Good luck!
     
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    With a six figure salary i'd think you'd have a better graphics card :p
     
  23. Layne RIP

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    lol... gazbarber...well i'm definitely more of a hands on sort of person.. love taking things to bits to see how they tick... helpdesk stuff is really not for me, but i take your point Monty i've seen alot of these get an MCSE quick courses and apart from being quick (and expensive) i can't see any benefit to doing them... i'm not looking for the mountain of gold here (although a 6 figure salary would be nice) a good 5 figure one will do me... as long as i don't get up for work every morning thinking about hanging myself as an alternative to going.
     
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    its worry you say that when your user name is Layne RIP. dont worry , with out the lows in life you dont the highs. you may not have a job or the job you want know, but with hard work and determination you will

    best of luck
     
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    Some Qualifications are still useful. Depending on the level you go in at. A+, Network + are both useful for entry level jobs. At least it shows a willingness to learn.
    Getting in on a helpdesk/calldesk is a good idea providing the company is large enough to accomodate you as you grow. Otherwise you may find yourself stuck.
    Unfortunately the IT Industry is not what it used to be. Mostly due to the influx of idiots doing 'instant' MCSE's as already raised.
    Experience does count for an awful lot but you will find you need some IT qualifications on your CV to get past the first post.
    Most half decent companies will be prepared to invest in more specific training once you're in the front door.
    There are also many areas to look at. Software Development, Web Development, PC Support, Server Support, Network Management/Development or the 'getting your hands dirty infrastructure'. All would require different training.
    Tough Choice. You can still make money at it but the good jobs are harder to find.
    And you do have the stigma of being an IT person......
     
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    Instead of computing, how about engineering and there is a huge demand for engineers plus the ability to earn good money without the boom/crash cycle of the computing world
     
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    I'd need better exam grades before they'd even except me for a 3 year course in engineering... and i can't afford to be out of work for that long.
     
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    I've been in IT for 20 years and for the last 2 have been (half-heartedly) looking to get out. It's just not exciting anymore!! Even though I'm responsible for £££multi-million global projects. So if that doesn't do it, then I don't know what will.... :(

    Gonna split before I hit the big 4.0. Better get my act sorted out as it's less than 2 years away :eek:
     
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    Apparently Plumbing is still a safe bet!

    I'd do it myself; just can't stand the thought of wading in other people's excrement....
     
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    Electrictian is good money at the moment too.
     

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