Is Wales a country or is it an English region

[la gran siete]

peopled by those who believe they are not English because they speak another language and fly a different flag. It was annexed in the 13 th century and since then has never been separate. Even its football teams play in the English set up. Oh btw Wales is Anglosaxon for foreign but they are not are they?

 

[la gran siete]

Apparently its a principality with Charles as its head honcho but he's not Welsh is he?Unlike other principalities like Liechtenstein and Monaco its not even independent and no tax haven so why not just call it -Wales an english region ?

 

[Sporran]

good points as its full of english people

 

[overkill]

good points as its full of english people

Technically it isn't. It's full of 'Briton's. The Welsh, depending on which history you believe, were the last vestiges of the original ancient Brits who migrated West (to Cornwall as well) to escape the Anglo-Saxon takeover. The two peoples hated each other (apparently).

Hence the Welsh, in particular the North Welsh, feel no real 'link' with the English.

It is a principality.

 

[Member 328449]

Even its football teams play in the English set up.

3 of them do, whereas many more play in the Welsh league. Also, Berwick Rangers play in the Scottish league, but Berwick is in England.

 

[la gran siete]

Technically it isn't. It's full of 'Briton's. The Welsh, depending on which history you believe, were the last vestiges of the original ancient Brits who migrated West (to Cornwall as well) to escape the Anglo-Saxon takeover. The two peoples hated each other (apparently).

Hence the Welsh, in particular the North Welsh, feel no real 'link' with the English.

It is a principality.

yes but Wales, like Cornwall and any other English region, is now a melting pot of all sorts.Maybe we should learn Welsh as a second language.
Antipathy agains te Enmgliush would seemm more of a an NW/Angelsea thing, Dont suppose Wrexham which is almost Cheshire would feel that way

 

[Wild Weasel]

They're a broken nation, they work for us now.







(with apologies to Al Murray)

 

[overkill]

yes but Wales, like Cornwall and any other English region, is now a melting pot of all sorts.Maybe we should learn Welsh as a second language.
Antipathy agains te Enmgliush would seemm more of a an NW/Angelsea thing, Dont suppose Wrexham which is almost Cheshire would feel that way

I quite agree. I'm not Welsh, so I'm only quoting what the Welsh have told me. I don't care one way or the other.

 

[Deleted member 30535]

Aren't you confusing "England" and "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"? Wales is a region of the UK, but not England.

 

[Member 79251]

Wales is one of the four constituent countries of the United Kingdom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales

 

[la gran siete]

Aren't you confusing "England" and "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"? Wales is a region of the UK, but not England.

no because it was annexed back in the 13 th century so unlike Scotland it really should be a region.I dont know when it became principality but it appears its princes are/were of German origin and have not a trace of Welsh or Briton in them. Maybe if they were to trace a descendant of one of their old pukka princes from yesteryear such as this fella:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owain_Glyndŵr
they could then restart their own line.

 

[bitofatit]

LGS, I think you’re being a little naughty!

Yes it is a country, proud of its heritage, language and culture and it has its own government.

See "Wales a Better Country" here - http://www.elwa.ac.uk/doc_bin/SkillsObservatory/Learning Country.pdf

This is the Welsh Assembly's strategic vision for the country a couple of years out of date now. There was an election last year and the perspective has change a little with Labour power sharing with the Welsh Nationalists (Plaid Cymru).

I think your views as to the Welsh Language, which only a small % of the population speak, is wrong. Even though the majority do not speak it there is a genuine support for keeping it, expanding it and permanently developing it - hence the Welsh Language Act. You only need to look at the significant increase in Welsh Medium schools of late to see that actually parents want this for there kids hence it is bound to expand and become even further embedded.

Or to put it another way - sorry to be blunt - WTheF? What’s it to you and what have you got against the Welsh?

 

[Miyazaki]

I have a print of a map from 1794 and it makes no mention of Wales. Scotland, England and Ireland are all named on the map.

 

[sinizterguy]

The only real Britons (as in descended from people who used to live in the now England area) had all been pushed out to Wales and by the Romans, Anglo-saxons, and everyone else who came over from Europe.

So they would techincally be more English than the English.

 

[Member 328449]

I have a print of a map from 1794 and it makes no mention of Wales. Scotland, England and Ireland are all named on the map.

A nice up to date document then......

 

[Miyazaki]

Incidentally, Wales plays not part in the Union Flag, which probably symbolises the constitutional state of Wales at the time of the act of union.

I believe it comprises St. Georges Cross and the Saltires of St. Patrick and St. Andrew.

 

[Miyazaki]

A nice up to date document then......

Its fascinating actually. All the empires that no longer exist!

Mexico is completely different as is the USA.

 

[Member 328449]

Its fascinating actually. All the empires that no longer exist!

Mexico is completely different as is the USA.

Not surprising really. Just look at how Eastern Europe has changed even in more recent times. Places such as Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia.

 

[Sporran]

the County i live in, is often referred to as little england beyond wales

 

[Ethics Gradient]

The only real Britons (as in descended from people who used to live in the now England area) had all been pushed out to Wales and by the Romans, Anglo-saxons, and everyone else who came over from Europe.

So they would techincally be more English than the English.

\o/

I am comming to claim my rights and boot all you usurpers off the island then

 

[la gran siete]

the County i live in, is often referred to as little england beyond wales

isnt that more about refusing to learn Welsh?

 

[Ethics Gradient]

isnt that more about refusing to learn Welsh?

More people live in Glasgow than people who speak Welsh in the UK.
More people live in Leeds than people who speak Welsh in the whole world.

... only about 20% of the population of Wales speak welsh and only 12% use it everyday.

 

[Sporran]

you a probably right though refusing is the wrong word, we didnt have the option, when in secondary school the only option we had was french or spanish.

I guess then the number of teachers who could speak the lingo just werent there. Hence the massive investment by the assembly to change to

Things have changed considerably bout 500 yards from my house is a welsh medium primary school.

 

[Alan_W]

.... but it appears its princes are/were of German origin and have not a trace of Welsh or Briton in them.

Totally unlike the German monarchy of England then

Battenburg or Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg you decide.

 

[Wild Weasel]

The only real Britons (as in descended from people who used to live in the now England area) had all been pushed out to Wales and by the Romans, Anglo-saxons, and everyone else who came over from Europe.

So they would techincally be more English than the English.

That's debatable. The modern understanding is that the majority of Britons would have stayed where they were and intermingled with the new Saxon settlers. They certainly didn't go very far when the Romans arrived (Who conquered what's now Wales anyway).