Is this racism or another example of the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan?

[Deleted member 39001]

A flag to celebrate the Black Countries industrial heritage designed by a 12 year old schoolgirl has been branded as racist by a Labour MP for failing to highlight the areas multiculturism.
Madness? Political correctness gone mad? Or more evidence that the
Coudenhove-Kalergi plan is actually being implemented?

Labour MP claims Black Country flag is 'racist' and should be scrapped
Labour MP attacks ‘racist’ Black Country flag designed by schoolgirl

The Coudenhove-Kalergi plan - The genocide of the Peoples of Europe | Western Spring

I have seen several people mention this mad phsycotic plan to create one western race thr Ugh interbreeding, a race similar to the how the Egyptians were, to be easily ruled by one government a few times. It does seem mad but the way things are these days...

 

[IronGiant]

Could you expand on this plan as it seems central to your question?

 

[Jezza99]

What is the matter with these people? Why are they so determined to see racism in even the most innocent object?

They must lead a very sad life, seeking out anything that might offend them.

 

[Deleted member 39001]

Could you expand on this plan as it seems central to your question?

It's some guy, not sure how far back but a long time, who wrote a book that claims the West should influx immigrants from third world countries, and interbreeding should be mass encouraged, so you end up with one race somehow and one government in Europe will rule them. Now he wrote other things that are considered the basis of Europe and the EU.

Read the link and see if you would consider it a conspiracy theory or it's happening?

Here's some random link about the prize that is awarded under the guys name every two years.

the Coudenove-Kalergi prize |

I should have separated the two topics to be honest, the flag issue I see as ridiculous and thought I'd throw it it there.

But this genocyde plan of Europe I thought was an interesting topic to discuss.

Angela was given the award also for her contribution to the plan:

Bundeskanzlerin | European Prize for the Chancellor

 

[krish]

The only people who believe such a plan are the far right white nationalists/supremacists into racial purity spreading their bullsh*t about a 'white genocide'. That link you posted is from such a group ...

Western Spring is a growing British-based movement representing the interests of White people everywhere, but in particular the interests of the White people indigenous to the British Isles: the English, the Irish, the Welsh and the Scots. As such, our aims are inextricably linked to the cause of Western civilisation – steeped in history and tradition as it is – while at the same time concerned with the vital task of renewal and of forging radical new tactics and survival strategies if our people are to have the energy, the confidence and the will needed to survive and thrive in an increasingly hostile world.

Their homepage has various bits and pieces covering this year's John Tyndall Memorial Meeting. In case I'm accused of invoking Godwin's law, I'll just link to this:

• John Tyndall (politician) - Wikipedia

and post these pics of Tyndall in his youth and final years ...

 

[Deleted member 39001]

The only people who believe such a plan are the far right white nationalists/supremacists into racial purity spreading their bullsh*t about a 'white genocide'. That link you posted is from such a group ...
Their homepage has various bits and pieces covering this year's John Tyndall Memorial Meeting. In case I'm accused of invoking Godwin's law, I'll just link to this:

• John Tyndall (politician) - Wikipedia

and post these pics of Tyndall in his youth and final years ...

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Well it does seem the man had some very radical views and his name is used for an award given to those who have worked hard for 'European Unification'

Karlspreis > Home

The idea may not happen, but the unification of Europe certainly has and the man did write the ideology for the genocyde.

 

[krish]

He was one of the ideological founders of the EEC/EC/EU, so there's a prize named for him. I suppose his views could be interpreted by some as federalist (and perhaps he was) and by others as promoting more integration, but what he thought about race was just a prediction not a plan. There is no genocide.

 

[Deleted member 39001]

He was one of the ideological founders of the EEC/EC/EU, so there's a prize named for him. I suppose his views could be interpreted by some as federalist (and perhaps he was) and by others as promoting more integration, but what he thought about race was just a prediction not a plan. There is no genocide.

I would consider views of having one world ruled by one government as more then federalist! It's exactly where the EU is heading to.. all run from Brussels.

 

[IronGiant]

And they'd have got away with it if it hadn't been for those plucky Brits...

 

[Pacifico]

A flag to celebrate the Black Countries industrial heritage designed by a 12 year old schoolgirl has been branded as racist by a Labour MP for failing to highlight the areas multiculturism.
Madness? Political correctness gone mad? Or more evidence that the
Coudenhove-Kalergi plan is actually being implemented?

No - just some silly bint being a bit silly.

best ignored.

 

[Deleted member 39001]

No - just some silly bint being a bit silly.

best ignored.

True, shame she's an MP.

 

[Deleted member 27989]

She seems to be from the school of Diana Abbot. Oddly the Netherlands have a few like them as well now. Shout racism at every opportunity, to me it simply seems that she has no idea about what the true heritage is of that area. What a silly woman, better hand her a paper towel to get that egg of her face.

 

[Toko Black]

She seems to be from the school of Diana Abbot. Oddly the Netherlands have a few like them as well now. Shout racism at every opportunity, to me it simply seems that she has no idea about what the true heritage is of that area. What a silly woman, better hand her a paper towel to get that egg of her face.

She seems to me to be one of those MP's that has fallen into the post modern thinking camp like Jess Phillips.
Everything's a social construct to them and a result of privilege and patriarchy dictating the reality of our lives.
Any evidence or common sense that refutes or questions what they are saying is simply down to prejudice and bias that has created a false version of reality where we believe it's true evidence and common sense so that men, white people, power mongers or whom ever else is ruling over us remain in control.

The irony is, that they are right in some ways. There are systems and ideologies that create a false version of reality where people believe something to be common sense and evidence - they belong to one of those very ideologies.
What they and their peer groups believe to be the truth, based on feelings, emotions and simply beliefs without evidence is their universal truth and anything else is simply wrong.

There is sexism, racism, bigotry and prejudice in our society and everywhere else. However, it's not by everyone and in everything. There are some people who are very prejudiced, many that have minor prejudices and some that have hardly any.
These true believers are doing a disservice to people who are genuinely harmed or held back by prejudice by making it look like a complete farce and giving ammunition to those with prejudices to convince less prejudiced people to dismiss discrimination as a fantasy created by these idiots.

* I believe most of us have minor prejudices, it's part of being human, that also includes people who also are on the receiving end of prejudice as well, as many of them will have their own prejudices - it's pretty universal. It's when it's systemic and seriously effects peoples lives that it's a real problem.

 

[Deleted member 27989]

She seems to me to be one of those MP's that has fallen into the post modern thinking camp like Jess Phillips.
Everything's a social construct to them and a result of privilege and patriarchy dictating the reality of our lives.
Any evidence or common sense that refutes or questions what they are saying is simply down to prejudice and bias that has created a false version of reality where we believe it's true evidence and common sense so that men, white people, power mongers or whom ever else is ruling over us remain in control.

The irony is, that they are right in some ways. There are systems and ideologies that create a false version of reality where people believe something to be common sense and evidence - they belong to one of those very ideologies.
What they and their peer groups believe to be the truth, based on feelings, emotions and simply beliefs without evidence is their universal truth and anything else is simply wrong.

There is sexism, racism, bigotry and prejudice in our society and everywhere else. However, it's not by everyone and in everything. There are some people who are very prejudiced, many that have minor prejudices and some that have hardly any.
These true believers are doing a disservice to people who are genuinely harmed or held back by prejudice by making it look like a complete farce and giving ammunition to those with prejudices to convince less prejudiced people to dismiss discrimination as a fantasy created by these idiots.

* I believe most of us have minor prejudices, it's part of being human, that also includes people who also are on the receiving end of prejudice as well, as many of them will have their own prejudices - it's pretty universal. It's when it's systemic and seriously effects peoples lives that it's a real problem.

And one, two, three, going back to this flag representing the local area....

 

[Toko Black]

And one, two, three, going back to this flag representing the local area....

erm, that is what we(I) are talking about .... and the reasons why someone would create a version of reality where they see racism in a simple flag representing the history and culture of the Black Country where none really exists.

I thought that most people would understand that was implicit in what I was saying - and condemning the idiocy of this MP and her ideological view of the world that helps no one, especially those she seems to believe she is defending.

 

[Deleted member 27989]

erm, that is what we(I) are talking about .... and the reasons why someone would create a version of reality where they see racism in a simple flag representing the history and culture of the Black Country where none really exists.

I thought that most people would understand that was implicit in what I was saying - and condemning the idiocy of this MP and her ideological view of the world that helps no one, especially those she seems to believe she is defending.

I think you are giving her thought patterns way more credence than what they deserve.

 

[Cliff]

Perhaps she would like to rename the Black country as well?

 

[Pacifico]

How about the Dusky Brown Country?

 

[Sonic67]

Comrade Corbyn keeps visiting Telford and the flag is still an issue with local papers etc.

He was asked his view.

‘Wonderful’ MP Eleanor Smith is backed by Jeremy Corbyn

 

[Deleted member 39001]

Comrade Corbyn keeps visiting Telford and the flag is still an issue with local papers etc.

He was asked his view.

‘Wonderful’ MP Eleanor Smith is backed by Jeremy Corbyn

Haha so basically neither of them have a clue about what the flag represents, seeing as they have not backed of claiming it's racist and the chains link to slavery, rather then a 12 year old thinking it was a clever way to highlight the ship chain industry the area was known for.....
Typical Labour really.

 

[Toko Black]

Comrade Corbyn keeps visiting Telford and the flag is still an issue with local papers etc.

He was asked his view.

‘Wonderful’ MP Eleanor Smith is backed by Jeremy Corbyn

Haha so basically neither of them have a clue about what the flag represents, seeing as they have not backed of claiming it's racist and the chains link to slavery, rather then a 12 year old thinking it was a clever way to highlight the ship chain industry the area was known for.....
Typical Labour really.

From the wording of Corbyn's quotes, it seems clear to me he is being 'political' and simply avoiding critising his own MP rather than not being aware of what is going on.
It's disingenuous, but that's what politicians from across the spectrum do, especially when asked to comment on a collegue ..... unless they actually have it in for them and then it's all snidey backstabbing time.

 

[Deleted member 27989]

From the wording of Corbyn's quotes, it seems clear to me he is being 'political' and simply avoiding critising his own MP rather than not being aware of what is going on.
It's disingenuous, but that's what politicians from across the spectrum do, especially when asked to comment on a collegue ..... unless they actually have it in for them and then it's all snidey backstabbing time.

Agreed in general, but isn't Corbyn hailed as being special that he doesn't do that. You know just like he didn't fake news by pretending there weren't any seats. And the list is endless. Yet his supporters seem blind to that.

 

[Toko Black]

Agreed in general, but isn't Corbyn hailed as being special that he doesn't do that. You know just like he didn't fake news by pretending there weren't any seats. And the list is endless. Yet his supporters seem blind to that.

It's a fundamental part of politics now a days, except when you either don't care or don't expect to get into any position of power.
Be it in business, politics or relationships, there is the necessary evil of 'diplomacy' and being liberal with the truth, so I guess it's more a case of judging people on the amount of it they do rather than whether they do or don't.
There are always going to be sycophants and 'believers' that won't accept reality or evidence, so it's no surprise there are some diehard Corbyn fans that refuse to see a difference from him being a back bench nobody that says what he thinks to a leader of a party that simply can't all the time and still be a leader.

 

[Deleted member 27989]

It's a fundamental part of politics now a days, except when you either don't care or don't expect to get into any position of power.
Be it in business, politics or relationships, there is the necessary evil of 'diplomacy' and being liberal with the truth, so I guess it's more a case of judging people on the amount of it they do rather than whether they do or don't.
There are always going to be sycophants and 'believers' that won't accept reality or evidence, so it's no surprise there are some diehard Corbyn fans that refuse to see a difference from him being a back bench nobody that says what he thinks to a leader of a party that simply can't all the time and still be a leader.

Agreed - you and I seem to be able to recognise that. But I say it again, one of Corbyns 'unique' features is that he is different and above that, and sure it would be nice but the reality is he isn't at all...

 

[Jezza99]

Agreed - you and I seem to be able to recognise that. But I say it again, one of Corbyns 'unique' features is that he is different and above that, and sure it would be nice but the reality is he isn't at all...

Since his election victory defeat, he has shown his true hand. So he has denied that he ever promised to write off existing student debt, even though at least 2 of his shadow ministers were quoted claiming that he was going to write it off, so obviously believed him.

He admitted to Beavis at Glasto that he was still committed to scrapping Trident despite standing on a manifesto to maintain it.

He has betrayed all the remainers who voted for him believing he would deliver them a "soft" Brexit, by stating that we will definitely need to leave the Single Market, otherwise we will not have left the EU.

He is a calculating politician who lies when it is to his advantage, no different to any other. His so called reputation for honesty and principled beliefs is total guff.