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is the new edition of the thing better?

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  1. 7 of 9

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    is the new version of the things widescreen t.v. enhaced picture better?

    as i can not find a review of the new version anywere on the net.

    thanks from 7 of 9
     
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    Not sure if I've got the new version but I do have it out on rental at the moment and was so disappointed with the quality that I did a search here to see if it was just me !
    I've watched about 10 minutes so far, but the picture looks quite bad and although the sound is DD5.1 it sounds poor to me.
     
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    Apparently the picture quality isnt that much better but it is now Anamorphic so is defently an improvement over the original release.
     
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    The version I'm watching at the moment has huge black bars at the top and bottom - I assume this is not the latest version ?
     
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    No, that is the original release, the newer release came out only a few weeks ago and is anamorphic so there will only be a small black bar at the top and bottom.
     
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    Popular misconception. If viewed correctly then anamorphic makes no difference to the black bar size. Unless the Aspect Ratio of the film was altered on one or other version as well.
     
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    The correct aspect ratio of the film was 2.35 : 1 so to get the all the film you will have black bars top and bottom.
     
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    That is what I ment, as the film is 2.35:1 then even being Anamorphic there will still be black bars at the top and bottom when viewed on a widescreen TV, if the film was 1.85:1 Anamorphic when it would fill the whole screen but it isnt.
     
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    The version I'm watching has the biggest black bars I've ever seen, they must take up a quarter of the screen top and bottom.
     
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    Then its definately the old non anamorphic version. I thought they had done quite a good job considering the age and budget of the film :)
     
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    i.m.h.o.the new version has better definition,colours seem far stronger,worth the money
     
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    I'll be honest, I didn't realise the film was so old - I've never seen it before :blush: Is the sound any better on the latest release ?
     
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    Are you watching it on a 4:3 TV?

    Either way this ratio (2.35:1) is quite common even twith today's filmmakers so am surprised that you haven't come across it before.
     
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    No it's a widescreen Tv viewing in 16:9 mode and I always get the black bars when viewing like this, but these seem to be twice the size of the normal ones - I'll try and take a photo over the weekend if I get the chance
     
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    If it's the old non-anamorphic version you have, then you have your TV on the wrong setting. Do the people look slightly fat?

    This will explain the 'larger than normal black bars'

    You should use your TV's 'zoom' mode which will expand it vertically as well as horizontally (what it's only doing on 16:9 mode).
    The bars will still be there but smaller and the proportions will look correct although the overall image will have a 'softer' look due to the expansion.
     
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    I have just done a review of the new release of The Thing. Should be up sometime today, maybe tomorrow.

    Russell
     
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    If you set your Widescreen TV to 16:9 on a non-anamorphic title all it will do is stretch the picture sideways, you will still have the same thick black bars at the top and bottom but the picture will also appered stretched so people and objects wont look correct.

    Below are some examples of an Anamorphic and Non-Anamorphic title displayed on a Widescreen TV...

    2.35:1 Non-Anamorphic (4:3)
    [​IMG]

    2.35:1 Anamorphic (16:9)
    [​IMG]

    Both are 2.35:1 but as you can see the non-anamorphic title has large black bars at the top and bottom and space at the sides where as the anamorphic title has smaller black bars and fills the entire screen.
    Unless a title is anamorphic, the only way to reduce the size of the black bars is to use the zoom function on your TV.
     
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    "the thing" was the last all animatronic film they made
    no CGI were used in this movie.
     
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    Watched this new edition last night and can't fault it. For a 20 year old film it looks really good. And the effects still look good.
     
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    The top picture is in a 4/3 frame thats why it looks different,is the tv set to 4/3 for non anamorphic? if the film is 2.35 and youre getting larger black bars then the setting on the tv is wrong, either zoom for non anamorphic unless it's a 4/3 tv or 16/9 or wide if it is anamorphic, but it should do that anyhow . Are the seittings of the tv and dvd correct?
     
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    Some DVD players dont autochange your TV to the correct aspect ratio so that could be a problem getting it to display right but either way, if you are playing back a non-anamorphic title, your Widescreen TV has to be set to either 4:3 or zoom or letterbox if it has it otherwise it wont display correctly.
    The example I posted is a non-anamorphic title being displayed on a Widescreen TV set to 4:3, I knocked the examples up quickly so didnt do an example of a non-anamorphic title on a Widescreen TV set to zoom but here it the same scene zoomed in...

    2.35:1 Non-Anamorphic (Zoom)
    [​IMG]

    Your TV might zoom in the picture more than my example or less but this is a rough idea of what it will look like zoomed.

    Out of interest, can anyone who has the new Anamorphic release take a screenshot from the same scene I took mine so we can compare my zoomed in non-anamorphic shot to an anamorphic shot.
     
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    I will in a moment,

    Russell
     
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    Here is an anamorphic shot of the new release.
     

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    That is alot better quality, I know my screenshot quality isnt great but you can clearly tell from your shot that the colours are more vibrant and overall image quality is alot better, will defently be upgraded now.
     
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    Yes there are differences. Hopefully, depending on how it turns out, there will be a landscape shot of the opening chasm where the helicopter flys over on the review. One half will be the old version the other new version. You can clearly see some increase in colour on the new version, but the picture still isn't fantastic. There is still grain and dirt all over the place.

    Russell
     
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    Here is another pic both shots from my setup which may help. The bottom one is better as a still shot, but on the move the difference isn't so clear, especially on a big screen.

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    For some reason the screenshots I have taken have way less colour that yours, here is a comparison I did. The left half is from the original R2 release and the right half is from your screenshot...
    [​IMG]

    As you can see the colour of the sheet is quite different, would my screen resolution or dvd software effect the screenshot?
     
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    The review I did and my old copy of The Thing are both R1, not R2. Perhaps that is the diff? Seems quite a bit if it is. Maybe if you have a R2 copy you should upgrade to the new R1?

    PowerDVD has some different colour settings, if that is what you are using? If so, go into toolbox (far right icon on bottom row), Video, Advanced, Colour. This should be set to original.

    Russell
     
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    Just checked my settings and the Colour was set to Vivid for some reason, have changed it to Original now and will do another comparison.
     
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    I have a Philips TV with both widescreen & 16:9 modes. The widescreen (or "cinema" mode on some TVs) adjusts the picture to show anamorphic moivies correctly. The 16:9 mode on my TV just sort of "zooms" in on the picture a bit more without adjusting. I don't know if some other brands of TV label "16:9" mode as a zoom or whether it actually stretches the picture to correct aspect ratio. I've only ever owned one widescreen tv
     

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