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is the future of plasma rosy?

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by alpina, Apr 7, 2005.

  1. alpina

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    hi guys,

    just reading up on what sony and fujitsu are doing of late (ie, sony pulling out of plasma and fujitsu reducing its 50/50 joint venture stake with hitachi to 19%) and wondering where the market is going?

    is the smart consumer investing in lcd over plasm technology? im hearing that sony are planning lcd models with super quick refresh rates, big sizes and price drops sept/oct this year.

    what does everyone think?

    cheers,

    julie
     
  2. Davidgilmour

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    in the future there will be better and cheaper screens.
    At this moment the best and cheapest screen one can buy is a plasma screen, there isn't a single LCD screen that comes close to the PQ of Pioneer, Panasonic and Fujitsi screens. In the future maybe , maybe not....

    cheers,
    david
     
  3. Andrew_P_S

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    No - LCDs aren't available at plasma size - and those that approach it have inferior PQ. There is nothing to touch a 50" Panasonic/Pioneer HD screen at the moment.

    Smart consumer? Depends on your definition of 'smart' I guess. Plasmas will be replaced in time. Whether or not LCD will replace them or not is anyones guess, some say yes, some say no. The point for me is - so what?

    Technology will always evolve, the price you paid for a piece of kit today, will look terribly expensive in 12 months time. It's always been that way. I remember paying £1600 for my Sony 32", I could have waited 3 years and got one less than half that price. Depends how badly you want it and how long you are prepared to wait, if you are always looking to the future for emerging technology, you will never jump in!!
     
  4. Cable Monkey

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    I have just purchased a Hitachi plasma tv because it was a small plasma screen (32 inch) with better picture quality than all of the budget 42 inch screens. At that size I could have got a 30/32 inch LCD from the same manufacturer several hundred pounds cheaper. However my main criteria wasn't cost or ease of use. I think the shift in emphasis by some manufacturers will arrest the fall in prices of plasma based screens, but I suspect they will be available for the more discerning for a while to come. At a cost.
     
  5. Joe Fernand

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    Hello Alpina

    The big problems with the Plasma market are Price Erosion, Over Capacity by the big names and folks willingness to accept second rate TV's as long as they are Flat and Cheap.

    Sony never got into Plasma in the first place so they only ever re-badged/engineered other folks Plasma glass.

    Pioneer, Panasonic and corporate Japan don't know if they are High Quality or Pile-It-High - they'd want the Pile-It-High quantities at High End pricing but don't know how to achieve that magic combination and have of late trashed their own market to try and compete with lower cost/spec (in most cases) products from non Japanese manufacturers.

    Pioneer, like others, are hurting because less of the 're-engineered' products you see in 2005 contain Pioneer glass - there are now huge 'no name' production plants in China turning out glass for all and sundry at way below what Pioneer and the like can achieve.

    Plasma still has a fair few years left in it - its simply an uncomfortable time for the big Japanese boys; keep in mind too the likes of Pioneer have no history in the TV market. This is all new to these boys!!!

    Best regards

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    PS LCD is no better - Sharp and the rest are all hurting.
     
  6. jedi-knight

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    Joe Fernand :
    pioneer were making monster rptv over 10 years ago ?????? don't you remember ??




    plasma market:

    it's the same with everything, big company's charge what they want until someone comes along and makes a very similar product far cheaper ( inferior in quality ). markets don't last forever, the top company's only get a couple of years, then it's no-frills mania.

    this happens with everything.

    so if pioneer & panasonic want to keep the market they have built, they will have to do some serious price cuts, produce budget sets.
     
  7. Cliff

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    It is going to the Chinese! Plasma will be around for some time but as Joe said the Japanese are finding it difficult to compete.
    The new premium brands with the technology will be LG and Samsung.

    Cliff
     
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    Welll Fujitsu sold a chunk of its share in PDP manufacture to Hitachi its partner (who have jumped into bed with Panasonic who are shortly due to open their 4th PDP plant.......http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197052) Pioneer bought NEC PDP to increase its panel output............
    so lots happening...........
    Oh and panasonic and LG are going to start colaborating on PDP development too.............so potentially shrinking the PDP manufacturer pool again.....Panasnoic/Hitachi/LG!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

    http://panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en050404-2/en050404-2.html
     
  9. laser

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    I think plasma still has a good few years left. Panels sizes will probably reach 60 - 80 inches (for mainstream consumption) over the next three years and resolutions will improve. Hi-def DVD and HD broadcasts will give a new lease of life to both plasma and LCD technologies which will pro-long the life expectancy of the technology as panels capable of true 1920pixels meet demand for HD. You will probably find production of plasma will pretty much move to China, although Pioneeer manufactures in Maylasia. LG and Samsung may also move all production to China except for high end products.

    Give it 3-4 years and SED will come on stream. Japan will manufacture the panels for 3-4 years and then production will move to other countries such as Chine as prices drop.

    Although yields of LCD panels are improving I read in a trade magazine that for every 100 panels (plamsa and LCD), 20 plasma panels (42inch) are rejected for dead pixels and 70 LCD panels (32inch) are rejected. Don't know if this is still the case but it explains to some degree why LCD is usually more expensive than plasma and may remain like that.
     
  10. Joe Fernand

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    Hello all

    jedi-night

    Shifting a couple of thousand RPTV's is not quite in the same league as being a viable TV manufacturer :) - Pioneer had to turn to Sharp to design/produce the Media Box for their PlasmaTV range as they had no technology in this market.

    Horny

    Pioneer needed a cheap SVGA Display so bought up NEC PDP and its technology.

    Fujitsu have off loaded most of what they retained after the Hitachi split to a Chinese PDP manufacturer.

    And now the US PC vendor's want in on the action - see http://www.adinfo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_14/b3927003.htm

    Best regards

    Joe
     
  11. jedi-knight

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    hello joe :hiya:

    yes, but didn't you say tv market: :lesson:
    also it is jedi-knight not jedi-night :mad:

    :D
     
  12. Ross-P

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    Plasma is the way to go at the moment for big cheap screens but LCD is catching up fast, maybe in 5 years + LCD might overtake and be the way to go then.
     
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    I see ross-p has done a dirty den and returned from the dead

    Steve
     
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    Plasma technology is not popular with manufacturers because they are difficult to produce, and there is a high reject rate. The bigger the screen, the more pixels there are on it, and the higher the chance of dead pixels.
     
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    In fact plasma is easier to produce than LCD. But LCD is more popular, because of economics of scale and higher possible resolutions. LCD technology can be used to produce a broad range of displays (small digicam displays to large TV screens). Plasma can only be used for larger displays. Well, small screens are possible, but the low resolution would make them unusable. So manufacturers tend to invest more in LCD, because in the long run LCD is more profitable.
     

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