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Is oled the new plasma?

Discussion in 'OLED TVs Forum' started by Davidgilmour, Jun 14, 2017.

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    1. Davidgilmour

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      I know I should not ask in an OLED forum what the best TV's are but is OLED the best one can buy right now?
      And how does it compare with the Pioneer Kuro plasmas?
       
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      Yes - not a question to really ask on an OLED forum - guess what answer you're gonna get.

      OLED knocks Kuro's into the middle of next week - not even a fair playing field for comparison :smashin:
       
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      Former Kuro owner here. My 2016 LG E6 is better in almost every way, and the 2017 models are even better still.
       
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      Of course OLED offers contrast that exceeds even plasma and matches the viewing angles but nevertheless an OLED picture still looks my LCD-like than PDP-like to my eyes, which may be due to the sample-and-hold image rendering inherent to these technologies. Supposedly this year's Panasonic OLED-driving offers the best BFI implementation that may be closest to PDP image quality in this regard, but I'm not seen it for myself. So a Kuro owner would have some reasons for not yet making the switch, but many happily have apparently.
       
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      Except when it comes to motion handling, where any plasma will demolish LCDs and OLEDs.
       
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      So I keep reading - but having had one I can't agree - see little, sorry no difference in motion handling between my 5090 and OLED's.
       
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      The difference is 300 lines vs 600 lines apparently.
       
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      Yes and No...speaking from having a Hitachi Plasma (42PD9700) and now an LG OLED (55E6).

      Yes:
      Better blacks
      Brighter colour
      Clear/fine picture quality

      No:
      Banding/posterisation
      Lip-sync issues on different quality source material

      On the fence:
      Motion seems the same, maybe slightly better on the LG
       
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      Had kuro, oled is way way better. Kuro had problems also. Like buzzing sound and in my opinion a mire flickering screen. Oled is really amazing. Tes they may have small issues but every technology has small issues. Lg also is amazing on the smart side and speed.
       
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      I think OLED is the natural progression from plasma because you are used to excellent black levels. The 2017 OLEDs are fantastic, and improved over previous years.

      I've had multiple Kuros followed by a Panasonic VT65. The difference between OLED and plasma is night and day, although I don't think you should be just taking our opinions. Simply go and look at OLED when properly set up and judge for yourself.

      I regret waiting so long upgrading my plasma but it's very easy to fool yourself, reading these forums, that there isn't much difference. In reality, the difference is huge and that difference is with SDR HD material. It's not just about 4k etc.
       
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      Had a 50" Kuro and loved it, then a 60" Kuro and loved that even more, despite the buzz!

      Have an "old" OLED (Panasonic CZ952) and as others have said, it's in a completely different league. The 60" Kuro was 50 kilos and an absolute beast, the OLED is 65" but only 32 kilos, so much more manageable to move around if need be.

      It also doesn't generate any of the heat like the Kuro did and I don't miss the buzz at all. The picture is simply jaw-dropping, it really is like looking through a window at times. Yes, there is some judder on very fast pans, but on the balance of abilities it is clearly the logical upgrade for plasma owners.

      And don't believe the panic about brightness and nits, it can be blindingly bright with the right material. I know people are holding off due to panel inconsistency and high prices, but I don't think you'd have much to complain about with a 6 Series LG, especially with there being many more well loved and looked after examples on the secondhand market.
       
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      Always had plasma before last year, Pioneer and Samsungs but finally changed to OLED. Haven't regretted it one bit!

      Just couldn't bring myself to get an LCD.
       
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      Simple answer - YES
       
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      If the answer was the kuro is better, that would mean that technology hadn't moved forward in God knows how many years and that would be a sad state of affairs!
       
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      Well, actually the Kuro was the best thing when Pioneer stopped and it took a few years for Panasonic to catch up. And The Panasonic plasmas were the best thing on the market when they quit the plasma scene too.
       
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      Own a reference rated Panasonic VT65 and I'm not so sure things are that clear cut. Compared it directly with LGE6 OLED side by side late last year. My conclusions............4k UHD LG obviously won (as the Pana cannot play it) but it was not the enormous visual gap I'd imagined, HD 1080p was an exceptionally close run thing, in truth I felt that the Panasonic gave a warmer, more natural appearance, most notable in skin colouring. Ditto with SD, very close, but the Panasonic definitely edged it. As near all broadcasts are still in SD/HD I decided to hang on to my Panasonic for the meantime, but await this year's Panasonic OLED models with trepidation!
       
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      I think if you compare the 2017 OLEDs with your VT65, there will be a huge gap. A lot depends on the settings you use on the OLED. You realise just how much the ABL kicks in with the VT65 degrading image quality with well-lit studio scenes, whereas it doesn't at all with OLED with SDR content. OLED is also sharper.
       
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      In my opinion the pioneers last models where better than the last panasonics image wise. They where not as black as the kuro's.
       
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      No way in the world I'm giving up my VT65 at the moment, if it ain't broke and all that
       
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      No one is saying you should ;). Enjoy it.
       
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      Arenaman - love to compare settings as I edited mine recently due to the purchase of a new AV unit. Not relevant for this thread but maybe over here.... Panasonic TX-P65VT65 Reviewer's Recommended Best Settings

      Ironically I posted this shortly after deciding not to exchange to OLED. Perfecto, I actually hope you are right but end of the day, it really is your eyes and your own view of the world that counts. The one thing that really put me off was this.............try and find a dealer that will gladly demo an OLED set with SD and HD content (as opposed to the ultra-refined, manufacturer produced demo broadcasts). If OLED is the new king (which I actually agree it is, or at least "will be"), then dealers should be showing off these sets with mainstream broadcast material - we are a few years away from that as yet, ergo I personally do not see the rush to sell what has been both tried and tested.

      At some point, I'd love to read a professional comparison from the likes of SW on here i.e. how does an AV forum "reference" rated plasma compare to latest gen OLED (as seen from under the microscope)!
       
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      I honestly only watch hd. Netflix sometimes even 4k. Youtube differs but mainly hd and the tv channels in Netherlands are almost all hd. Maybe in sd the plasmas are better. I honestly don't want to watch sd at all . Everybody sees things differently. Everyone should watch the tv set it likes. Whatever the technology. I use smart tv part a lot also. And these lg's are amazing on that part. Startup with netflix. Designated buttons for anything i want. Like press 1 long for youtube... these days unmissable for me.
       
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      I've heard that OLEDs have that LCD digital 'video game' look while Plasmas have the more natural, filmic look, is that fair?
       
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      Sounds like there are still issues:

       
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      That's exactly my point! Wildlife, outer space, seascapes etc all beyond excellent in 4k OLED, but for my eyes when it comes to the subtleties of say skin colouring, I've yet to see anything that beats best of the bunch plasma.
       
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      Having owned a Pioneer KRP-600M and Panasonic TX-P65VT65B, and currently being the owner of a TX-P60ZT65B and LG OLED65E6V, I can categorically tell you that that is utter nonsense.
      The E6 produces a wonderfully filmic image and is better than my plasmas in every conceivable way except one, which is motion, and I would say that it equals them in that area.
      I recommend that you ignore the result of a meaningless motion resolution test and get a demo of a calibrated E6, they are simply ridiculous value for money at the moment
      One caveat to the above, I never use any form of motion interpolation on my TVs, never have, never will.:smashin:
       
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      IMG_1641.JPG

      There is ab-so-lu-te-ly nothing wrong with skin tones on an oled. You can finetune it to your liking.
       
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      Is there no furnishing in your room?
      Or do you not want to detract from the beauty of new OLED? :p
       
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      I live with a Panasonic ZT65 and an LG E6, both of which are professionally calibrated and I can assure you that there is absolutely no issue with skin tones on the E6.
       
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      I have an empty house, me and my oled.

      The right wall is dedicated for my projector sir.
      The rest of the house is furnished.
       

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