is it worth getting a xbox one

I tend to disagree with that. IMO MS arnt like any other company they thought the xbox brand was invincible and could put on its user base any restrictions it felt like. Its only because of the massive backlash that heads had to roll and they are clearly in damage limitation now. Xbox 360 was massive, MS are making people redundant. Im glad changes are being made and they are now listening to the user base, just a shame it took this to get their attention. However Im seriously considering X1 given these improvements and a new figurehead at the helm. Must look that up and have a wee read....

They weren't putting on restrictions just a different model for content purchase and distribution. There were benefits of that, which are for the time being lost.

The only thing that was lost with their original plans was the second hand market. But family sharing may well have compensated for that.

Sony were reportedly planning the exact same thing until they saw the backlash MS received.

Gamers take things and companies way too personally. They are all trying to make money. No company is inherently better or worse than another. They are just collections of people, policies and products.
 
Also @leckytech, don't forget the arrogance and disregard that Sony showed the consumer at the PS3's launch. They are every bit as bad as MS and got lucky this gen by seeing the negative response to MS plans, giving them the opportunity to not unveil their own similar plans and go down the horribly cheesy "4 The Gamers" road.
 
Can I ask as a long term 360 player why should I buy a xbone over a PS4. By all accounts the PS4 knocks the socks off of the xbone resolution wise and has a much more powerful GPU. I want to buy an xbone and a lot of the guys I played BF with on 360 have an xbone but Im struggling to justify one over the PS4 purely from a hardware perspective. I dont have the full picture of any next gen console, just what Ive read so far so would appreciate what you people on the other side of the fence think. I used to use the media side of the 360 which would have been a plus but have other superior kit now so wouldnt use that side of things and the kinect...pfttt!

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Absolutely love my XB1. You'd have to pry it out of my cold dead hands to get it off me. I had both consoles on pre-order and had the full intention of getting both. Don't know why, but the way Sony kept having snide little digs at MS and the vision they had just rubbed me up the wrong way so I cancelled and figured I'd buy one when there was a game out for it that I wanted.

Saying the PS4 is streets ahead of the XB1 for resolution etc. is a bit outdated now. At the start certain people (mentioning no names here, I'm amazed he hasn't cropped up in this thread yet :p) said that the XB1 just couldn't handle 1080p and 60 fps, even though for a long time the XB1 was the only console with an exclusive AAA 1080p 60fps title (Forza 5). Since the June SDK where they released a bit more of the reserved GPU power many more titles have been announced at 1080p. The next big thing Destiny will be 1080p and looks to be complete parity between both systems.

The hardware in the XB1 is custom versus the off the shelf SoC that Sony went for. On paper it looks like the PS4 GPU wipes the floor with the XB1 with 18CU versus 12. Cerny himself said that the PS4 is balanced 14:4 though. 14CU for graphics and 4 for GPGPU. XB1 has custom little processors that are specialised and offload the GPGPU work so the 12CU of the GPU can be used for graphics, so it's really not that different.

I'm going out on a limb here (and some people here think I'm crazy for it) but I also believe there's something in the XB1 hardware that they haven't announced yet. There are numerous reports of people saying that the hardware isn't the full story (including the digital foundry breakdown of the hotchips presentation). MS did it with the 360. They hid a whole chip in there for a year before they announced it and gradually unlocked new features that the console could do over its lifetime to developers so it kept growing. It worked last time and I think they're doing the same thing again. They stated that it's a marathon not a sprint.

The next big thing for XB1 is DX12. Now there are conflicting reports on this. Some say that it will benefit the console greatly and others say it won't (and some of the naysayers are Sony first party developers that don't work with DX so how the hell they know I have no idea!). Phil went on record saying that the XB1 will support DX12 FULLY. Current GPUs will be able to use many of the new features of DX12, but for them to be FULLY compatible they need some new hardware. Hardware that I think is already in the XB1 and isn't being used yet (again this is only me though, most people here don't believe it). We already know that there's hardware support for tiled resources which is the next big thing in how games are going to be coded (the PS4 will do them as well, but it'll have to be done in software not hardware which won't be as good). Think about it, if a game is being developed for PC on DX12 and the XB1 is DX12 and the PS4 is OpenGL, which do you think will get the better port?

There's a crazy site called MrXmedia on livejournal where they believe that there's all sorts of crazy hardware hidden in the XB1. Now I don't believe to the crazy arse levels that they go on to, but I do believe there's something there. MS paid $3 billion for the XB1 SoC, way way more than Sony did as they just bought of the shelf. I don't believe they spent that much money and came out with a weaker console. It may not be more powerful, but I don't for a minute believe it's as underpowered as it seems at the moment. It's custom hardware may take a while to come into its own (as it is with Destiny now) but I can see it being at least on parity with the PS4 from now on. The XB1 is bigger with a much bigger cooling solution and has an external (more powerful) PSU. I don't believe MS would over engineer the box to that degree. It's certainly not in response to the RROD as some think as that had nothing to do with overheating, it was the lead free solder that they used initially and was sorted without making the 360 box any bigger.

The next thing is that the console brings new things with the cloud. Again, people will say that the cloud can be bolted onto the PS4 and again it probably can, but just not as effectively as the XB1 can use it. The XB1 was built with the cloud in mind and its hardware reflects this. It's got built in on the fly encode and decode and move engines up the wazoo that mean it can do more with the cloud over the long run.

My firm belief (and it is only my belief, I may be wrong) is that the PS4 was built to be a very powerful console for how games WERE coded, and during the changeover from old hardware to new hardware where developers are supporting both generations, are still coded. I believe the XB1 has been built for how games are GOING to be coded. We might not be seeing the best out of it yet while the old engines are still around, but I believe once DX12 comes in (in a few months) we're going to see a bit more.
 
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holy shit Kirksi, never mind all that :) , are you buying Destiny?Apparently Mantle if open will kill off DX as Ive read the overheads using DX is cumbersome to say the least for devs
 
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holy poop Kirksi, never mind all that :) , are you buying Destiny?Apparently Mantle if open will kill off DX as Ive read the overheads using DX is cumbersome to say the least for devs
Destiny will be a day 1 purchase for me. It'll be my goto game for some good co-op for the foreseeable future. BF4 will still be my game for online multiplayer as the PvP aspect of Destiny just doesn't appeal to me (6 vs 6 and full of jumpy jumpy, floaty floaty, no thanks!). Destiny IMO has good shooting mechanics with a decent RPG element thrown in. Played alone it's OK, but it's much better when played in co-op with mates :thumbsup:

You need to get an XB1 asap mate, you're missing out! (if you're back home that is, if you're off-shore then not so much!).
 
Im trying Kirksi but my boy is set on a PS4 may take some persuading or maybe more pocket money :)
 
Whats the score re headsets? Can I use my astros?
Also are xbox having the same emulator thing the PS4 is going to do where you can play the back catalog of games? This is a big draw for me personally
 
Astros can b used with the chat adapter for speech
 
Whats the score re headsets? Can I use my astros?
Also are xbox having the same emulator thing the PS4 is going to do where you can play the back catalog of games? This is a big draw for me personally
As Kalgar says, yes you can buy the chat adaptor and plug your astros directly into the XB1 pad. There's then no other wires that go to the console, all the sound comes through the pad this time so no need for a mixamp :thumbsup:

I heard some rumblings about backwards compatibility for the XB1 but nothing concrete. I'd have a look at the pricing for the PS streaming service if I were you, it ain't cheap. Personally I think the EA subscription represents better value. £20 for the year (£1.66 per month) and you get unlimited access to multiple EA games plus 10% off for the new ones and DLC.

I was expecting Sony to do the PS Now service as a subscription service in a similar manner to this (and they may still announce a subscription price) but as they stand at the moment I wouldn't touch it, I'd buy a cheap PS3 and raid the bargain bins.

Sony’s PlayStation Now pricing is insane, but it doesn’t have to be | Ars Technica
 
Are you sure about that KirkSi? I would of thought you would want optical out to the mixamp rather than stereo from the controller.
 
Are you sure about that KirkSi? I would of thought you would want optical out to the mixamp rather than stereo from the controller.
I've just been using mine through the controller and haven't had any problems. Can still make out directional info, but the option is still there to use the optical out from the console as well. I just prefer the fewer wires and being able to get up and walk around with the controller and headset still on, rather than being caught up in a tangle!
 
holy poop Kirksi, never mind all that :) , are you buying Destiny?Apparently Mantle if open will kill off DX as Ive read the overheads using DX is cumbersome to say the least for devs

Really? I'd be interested in any links as what I've read (and watched) so far seems to point to Mantle being a massive disappointment.
 
Really? I'd be interested in any links as what I've read (and watched) so far seems to point to Mantle being a massive disappointment.
Hey BoozeHound, thanks for your post. No links sorry just what I heard when all this mantle stuff kicked off. It was said at the time that mantle had the potential see off DX and allow the consoles to greatly boost their potential. If thats not the case then I stand corrected :)
 
I own both xb1 and a ps4 and much prefer the xbox. Love the kinnect voice commands to turn my system on which also turns on or off my sound system, tv and TiVo box

Then it's for the exclusives and I don't mean for the indie ones I mean the good ones. Xbox just seems to get more of them that I want. The games which are on both platforms play the same and look almost identical. I think in the games section is where the ps4 is lagging in terms of exclusives.

When I bought the ps4 I bought it for Infamous Second Son. I'm about to buy the next exclusive I want being the last of us remastered as I sold my ps3 just before this came out

I also really like the xbox achievement system and think it's better than the trophy system.

I'd probably also ask you if you have any friends on either platform that would want to play with which should also play a big factor. I have friends on both
 
Hey BoozeHound, thanks for your post. No links sorry just what I heard when all this mantle stuff kicked off. It was said at the time that mantle had the potential see off DX and allow the consoles to greatly boost their potential. If thats not the case then I stand corrected :)
When Mantle first came out there was no mention of DX12. When DX12 was announced subsequently I think things became a bit more unclear. There's still very little information out there about what exactly DX12 will allow developers to do that's new, MS seem to be keeping that information under their hat. I don't think that X12 is just a small update though. The new coding methods that are coming in (tiled resources etc.) are going to change things completely. I think DX12 is going to do a lot more than just get the multiple cores running in parallel better.

In the end though we're going to have to wait and see how the two shake out. I personally still think that DX will be king and that Mantle support may be offered but I can't see it being a primary PC API. As it was developed by AMD I just can't see NVIDIA GPUs supporting it fully which will split the market. Developers will want to appeal to the widest market so will develop on DX12 for both AMD and NVIDIA GPUs and offer Mantle support for the AMD lot that want it.
 

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