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Is it possible to keep components in a cupboard and still use the remote?

Navrig

Active Member
As the thread title says.

I didn't explain our new room layout after the purchase of a new amp and speakers. So my wife is concerned that we are going to buy a hifi cabinet and lose a cupboard which matches the decor.

Is there a way to make the remote work through the cupboard doors? Don't suggest taking the doors off. They match the decor.

Remote will be a Harmony 555 when it arrives. Components are AV amp, DVD player and Xbox.
 

monksy74

Well-known Member
Have a search for IR extender - Keene kits are supposed to be good.

You will need an ir receiver that's visible and some emitters in the cupboard.

Powermids are also popular which communicate between a receiver and emitter via RF
 
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logiciel

Moderator
Powermids worked fine for me until Harmony models with IR extenders came out.
 

Jamie

Distinguished Member
You could cancel the current order and opt for a Harmony that has it built in rather than a 555
 

logiciel

Moderator
That's what I did, and would now recommend.
 

logiciel

Moderator
The Harmony 900 and 1100 have their own InfraRed extenders. They convert the IR commands for devices that you specify to RF, and send that to the Extender which converts it back to IR for transmission to the devices which are out of line of sight.
 

Navrig

Active Member
Thanks however the 900 seems a lot more expensive.

Looking at the Keene electronics I should be able to achieve the same for a lot less with a Harmony 555 and a Keene IR kit
 

logiciel

Moderator
Yes, the model is fairly new and the price far too high!
A "kit" would be OK, but you don't need that - as monksy also suggested, there are dozens of proprietary extenders from £25 up that will work with the Harmony.
 
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Navrig

Active Member
Thanks. I'll keep looking.

Although the Keene kit looks like it could be hidden well with the receiver which could be fitted into the side of the cupboard and the wands which could be fixed to the inside of the cupboard doors.
 

logiciel

Moderator
Most extenders don't need any fitting or fixing at all!
 

amblondon

Standard Member
i bought the Keene IR kit with the receiver that is designed to be mounted (e.g. in the side of a cupboard) but it's actually larger than I thought and pretty unattractive - my wife certainly didn't want it mounted onto the wooden alcove cupboard we'd just had fitted...! - so you may be better off just getting the normal receiver and putting it somewhere unobtrusive. I'd also say the Keene kit is good, does what you expect it should do and the range / angle seems pretty good too.
 

Navrig

Active Member
I am obviously missing something here.

The 555 works on IR and for that you need line of sight (direct or reflective)between the remote and the receiver on each component (I hope this is a correct statement).

I propose to store the AV1910, DVD/HDD player and XBox in a solid cupboard with solid doors. (with extra ventilation in the rear panel - against the wall to allow heat out and cables in.) The components will be on 2 or 3 shelves. The shelves extend quite close to the door line. The doors will normally be closed.

To get a "line of sight" I need to have a receiver on or around the cupboard which connects to a transmitter inside the cupboard. However within the cupboard the transmitter will still need line of sight to the receiver on each component.

Where do I sit a transmitter within the cupboard to make sure it has direct or reflective line of sight to each component?
 

logiciel

Moderator
To get a "line of sight" I need to have a receiver on or around the cupboard which connects to a transmitter inside the cupboard.
That's the bit you've got wrong - one unit stands in line of sight, receives IR from your 555, and converts that to RF - the other is inside the cupboard where it receives the RF, converts it back to IR, and emits that to the devices.
The emitter unit normally has enough IR "power" to bounce around and find all the devices, but with most of them - such as Powermids - you have the option to use tiny emitters attached to the devices.
 
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Navrig

Active Member
Logiciel - many thanks. I now understand and will look more closely at one of the non-kit solutions.

The doors are hi-gloss red plastic coated and, as you suggest, will probably offer enough reflection to reach all 3 components.

Sorted, I think.
 

logiciel

Moderator
That's OK, and I'm pretty sure that will work, but you know where to ask if anything else comes up.
btw: Logitech make an Extender for use with any IR remote, but it's not yet available outside the US:
Logitech® Harmony® IR Extender System
Also the 900 and 1100 Harmony models incorporate their own IR Extenders and are generally available.
 
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adskin80

Active Member
Hi,

I have a Harmony 555 and use some IR extenders that I got from ebay for approx £10 each as shown in the photos below. I have also just recently added the PS3 Harmony Adpater which is excellent.

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Hope this helps!
 

phil5366

Banned
Logi,

I have just bought the Harmony one and was wondering if I can still use my Powermids with this?

All my AV gear is in a seperate room.
 

logiciel

Moderator
Hi Phil - the Harmony is an IR remote, Powermids are IR extenders, so yes, they do work together.:thumbsup:
 

logiciel

Moderator
OK Phil, if anything doesn't quite join up just feel free to ask here.:thumbsup: Logi.
 

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