Is burn in really permanent? (Showroom demo plasma with bluray menu on white screen)

[ericone]

Hi!

I've been looking at a showroom demo Panasonic TX-P55VT60Y for a while. It has some "burn in" or perhaps image retention in the form of red/pink blu-ray menus that can clearly be seen on a full white screen. At the store I ran the screen washing feature with the scrolling bar, and the staff let it run for two working days (perhaps 15 hours or so in total). I've looked at the TV set afterwards and I can't really tell if there's been an improvement on it. Prior to the burn in they had the TV in torch mode (vivid) with a blu ray menu unfortunately.

Do you guys think there is some hope of eventually getting rid of this burn in? Perhaps in the long run? I'm thinking about buying it and letting it run 16:9 content / screen wash at home for weeks if needed

I'm prepared to let the TV run material for a very, very long time while i'm sleeping or even at work if it can reduce the burn in Do you guys think there is hope or is the TV ruined? Does it happen often that burn in really is permanent on the 2013 models?

I'll add that the reason I want the plasma is that I've been looking for an upgrade to my 2011 samsung PS51D550 but Oled has not been satisfactory when it comes to motion and uniformity.

 

[Inferno]

Your pretty much stuck with it, you can try empty static or just try and use the scrolling bar, but once its got bad burn your more than likely going to have to put up, I wouldn't buy it.

 

[berkeley384]

Walk Away

On my old Panasonic GT30 I ended up with a TV logo - no amount of static / Screen wipe / Multi colour Screen Change resolved it.

As far as Im concerned,regardless of all the info about, Screen burn really still can be permanant.

I ended up ditching the Plasma in the end as I could see the logo on certain Screen colours, and it annoyed me every time I saw it

 

[Inferno]

And people wonder why I choose to have the orbiter anti burn/IR in turned on on my KRP, its 6+ years old now and zero IR or burn anywhere near it, and people said I was bonkers , including that bloke who thought he knew everything!!!

 

[IrritatedBadger]

Yes it is entirely possible.

My GT50 was quite bad when I bought it. Ran a pixel shifter (Disney WOW disc) for about 30 hours and it has reduced it somewhat but if you get up close you can still see it. It's not viewable from standard distances and unless solid colours occur, you'd be hard pressed to see it. Still the best picture I've ever seen so I'm never going to chuck it.

On that set though, I wouldn't risk it.

 

[fluxo]

It might be less obvious after a while, but if the retained image has a pink tint to it, that is not a good sign.

 

[ericone]

Yes the burn in has a pink tint to it, especially a big logo on the upper right side. Ive been offered to buy the set for the price it was sold by before it sold out, so im not really getting any reduction on the price. The reason for me to buy it is that there is nothing out there that can Please me now. LED dosent work in a dark room for me and OLED has too many issues now (tint, bad motion, backlight bleeding-like bright bands in dark scenes etc).

 

[IrritatedBadger]

Yes the burn in has a pink tint to it, especially a big logo on the upper right side. Ive been offered to buy the set for the price it was sold by before it sold out, so im not really getting any reduction on the price. The reason for me to buy it is that there is nothing out there that can Please me now. LED dosent work in a dark room for me and OLED has too many issues now (tint, bad motion, backlight bleeding-like bright bands in dark scenes etc).

That sounds like a terrible deal. Not even a discount? Run. Don't risk it. Hunt for one on the forums here where you can visit and demo it. It might take longer but at least you'll be satisfied.

 

[GadgetObsessed]

OLED has too many issues now (tint, bad motion, backlight bleeding-like bright bands in dark scenes etc).

IrritatedBadger is right. Buying a 2 year old set for the same price it retailed at is an awful deal. Taking the screenburn into account makes it even worse. If the screenburn is visible in any normal viewing then I would not pay even half of that.

For a 55VT65 in the UK in perfect condition with guarantee I would expect to pay around £1,000. (Equivalent to approximately 13,000 krona.) Prices where you are may be very different though.

Have you seen a demo of any of the OLED sets? Reading the forums here you might assume that they all have terrible uniformity, banding, etc. However, I put some slides (2%, 5% grey etc. and various colours) on a usb stick and took it to my local retailer to try. I didn't spot any significant issues. The 55EF950 LG OLED was way better than any of the LCDs, including the highly regarded Samsung 55JS9000 that was next to it. (Note that i could not check the slides in a dark room so I was really looking for uniformity rather than near black issues.) On the other hand the menu system on the LG OLED is absolutely terrible. To change any picture setting takes a large number of button presses. They must be a nightmare to calibrate.

In the UK the 1080p 55EG910 or 55EC930 OLEDs are around £1,400. (Equivalent to around 18,000 krona.) The 4k 55EF950/55EG960 are around £2300 (30,000 krona.)