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Is Bi-wiring worth it..?

Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by rd350ypvs, Jun 22, 2004.

  1. rd350ypvs

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    Is it worth bi-wiring the AE3's or just leave them as normal ? Is there a noticable difference in sound quality ?



    cheers



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  2. jeff-o

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    I don't know about the AE3s in particular, but bi-wiring does usually help quite a bit. Do it, it's a cheap and effective upgrade!
     
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    Are you referring to the Acoustic Energy Evo 3 Speakers? If so then I guess I would say yes, as that is how they are set up in my music area. However, how much of an improvement depends on the listener. My suggestin would be to but some cheap speaker cable and try it in both configurations, that way if there is a diff to your ears you can go out and grab some better quality cabling. Obviously biwiring is more suited to music listening, when I tried them in the home theatre they sounded no better.
     
  4. rd350ypvs

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    Yes Markie Boy, I am on about the Acoustic Energy Evo3's. Ok guess the only thing to do would be to try it :)





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    try jumper cables instead...you can get more info from the Russ Andrews website - http://www.russandrews.co.uk/
    and click on 'speaker cable', and 'jumper cable' for more info...of course you don't need to Mr Andrews jumpers, but if you have some excess speaker cable (best to use same as what you've already got), then give it a try...

    I just bi-wired myself before iwas aweare of this method...
     
  6. rd350ypvs

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    These jumper leads must have to filter out the high and low frequencys to make them better than the standard bar link I suppose, i'll try jumpering em with some speaker cable of the same brand to see if it makes any difference
     
  7. Nic Rhodes

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    Bi wiring rarely works IMHO and this is why it is now far more common for manufacturers to include just a single set of terminals. Bi amping does work however. The jumpers idea which I and others popularised here does work. Difference people 'hear' with biwiring are largely down to other effects like more copper! The best test I know for this is to experriment with RA 4 and 8 cables. There is a big post on this somewhere by me years ago that generated much debate.
     
  8. rd350ypvs

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    Well I have now jumpered them and can't really tell any difference, although i could be going deaf lol, the speakers aren't fully run in yet, give or take a week, so it will probably improve in sound quality later on
     
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    I have tried QED Silver, Gale XL189, Gale 315-2 Biwire and A set of Monster Reference Zseries cables to connect my Mission M35's to my Denon 2803. I can honestly say that I can not hear any difference whatsoever between any of the cables.
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    Having had in depth discussions on this subject: Bi wiring works when you have a true split Xover. Some speakers are not set up like this, even though the terminals are split the Xover isnt.

    The main effect of biwiring is on the high frequency part of the music, apparently you should always wire into the terminals for the HF section first if your only using one run of cable. Dont really know if it makes a difference, but thats whats recommended.

    Biwiring only makes a small difference and tends to show up more on high end equipment more than budget stuff.
     
  11. Nic Rhodes

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    aren't you (or Neat?) describing IMD?
     
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    Oh dear, think of those poor people who've spent £k's on their bi-wired Nordimber Van den Qedost "Ultradynamic Cystalmatrixed Silver Enhanced Copper" cables.

    As for only one pair of terminals, dare I say I've actually tri-wired (because there's three pairs of terminals) my OB1's with Nordost Solar Wind cables. Would I do it again? No.
     
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    I had my 753Fs biwired with Cable talk 3. But only because I used to drive two passive DIY subs with the spare cables. When my active SVS sub arrived I just unhooked one set of cables from the Missions and fixed them to the subwoofer terminals. I didn't give it a second's thought.

    If you need a bridge between the terminals of a speaker with 4 bi-wire terminals and you use just one set of cables. Then just strip more insulation off and push it up through both sets of terminals before you screw them down tight. Make sure there are no stray strands by twisting the wires before insertion and checking carefully afterwards. A short between positive and negative could blow your amp! There might be a greater risk of stray wires with longer lengths of bare copper. Check the tightness of your terminals now and then. The stranded copper tends to slowly squash under the pressure from the terminal.

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    I think the really interesting bit is NO ONE has ever been able to show me benefit UNDER CONTROLLED CONDITIONS. When I turn up with a high spec sound meter to match levels, the excuses come in their thoudsands and demos disppear. Remember Stuart Robinsons challenge, I wonder why no one ever took him up despite his generous 'gift'?

    Make of that what you will, personally I am.... ;)
     
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    Some bi-wiring views

    http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/messages/4953.html
    http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/audio/biwire/Page1.html

    These are of course simply peoples views.

    I have experimented with bi-wiring, bi-amp and active units. Bi-amping gave the largest improvement whereas the active route was more elegant. Bi-wiring to a split crossover makes 'some' sense but if it works in someones system and they are happy with the results, then that is great. Music is perception.
     
  16. rd350ypvs

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    The thing is, if music is always peoples perceptions, shouldn't we still be listening to 78's and be happy with it, surely the reason companies make products bi-wirable, is that there must be a better sound to it, maybe we are just all tone deaf lol
     
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    They are made to be bi-ampable, which is of great benefit.
     
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    Music is perception but that does not mean the perceived quality cannot be altered or improved. There is logic behind bi-wiring but I think it is the implementation which can cause problems.
     
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    Completely agree. For those with the time and money it is a worth while project
     
  20. rd350ypvs

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    That settles it then :)
     
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    The smart money is moving out of biwiring.... and into subwoofers. :D

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    Yeah, my budget didn't stretch to much, but i managed to get the AE Evo3's plus MS309 and they do make a difference compared to my old Eltax Stargate system lol
     
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    Nice setup :smashin: :clap: :)
     
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    It is interesting to note just how much more bass there is when bi-amping. This does not mean any speaker will suddenly be able to do 15hz but the additional control and extra 'slam' are impressive.
     
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    I personally would rather spend £100 on a silver single wire than £100 on a copper bi-wire.

    Then again I would take a £50 solid core over a £100 multistrand.
     

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