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Is 6.1 worth it in a smallish room?

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by jon smith, Jul 18, 2002.

  1. jon smith

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    The living room in my flat is 3m x 6m so is prolly small in real terms. I do actually have a 6.1 setup and have done for a few months. It sounds good, but probably not that much better than 5.1. I mean there's a more spacious rear sound action, but I do kinda miss the main rear channels actually being at the rear (rather than at the sides if you get my drift).

    What does everyone else think of 6.1 as it's suddenly gone from something the AV mags said was a bit of a luxury to a must have item (such is the fashion with AV bits and bobs).

    So what do you reckon... AV heaven, or just a way to get us all to upgrade... not that any of us need an excuse...
     
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    Jon, no contest, any discs encoded in dts-es or dd-ex that make use of the surround back channel really make the difference, i definetly would,nt settle for 5.1 . ;)
     
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    My lounge is 10"x16" and I upgraded to 6.1 (Denon 3801) about 18 months ago. The difference is quite amazing. I'd actually say that it makes more of a difference in a small room. Because the standard rears/sides don't have as much room to breath and really get the sound behind you the extra rear/s make a lot of difference.

    Go for it, you will not regret it for a second.

    Cheers,
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  4. CounterWhine

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    I'm not convinced that 6.1 is worth it in any room...

    Flame on!

    D.
     
  5. Jase

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    Flamethrower engaged!:D

    Why?
     
  6. Ian J

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    have you actually heard it ?
     
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    And most importantly have you heard a properly set-up 6.1 system? I was very disappointed when I heard my brother-in-law's setup, but most impressed with Phil's (THX1138).

    Cheers,
    Liam
     
  8. Nic Rhodes

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    What have you based this on? I am confused
     
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    David r, you possibly need a check up m8,:D :confused: ;)
     
  10. Ian J

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    When are you going to invite me round to hear your setup Chris.

    I haven't heard much ES or EX as I don't have the room for the extra speakers.
     
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    Ian, no probs , just got a couple of things to sort and you will get ya invite m8, ;)
    ps. do ya hav a spl meter ian ? :rolleyes:
     
  12. Ian J

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    Yes.
    Just send me a PM when you want to borrow it.
     
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    i have actually downgraded me system from 7.1 to 5.1. the room layout just wasn't in my favour - the side speakers were in front of me be about 2 feet and the surround back at the side of me. as a 5.1 system it sounds much better, i guess its down to the layout of the room and not the size of it! (as well the lady of the house dictating where speakers can and can't go - they are the experts after all;) )
     
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    6.1 / 7.1 setups are only any good if you can get the rear center speaker exactly in the center of the other two, and if you'r sitting in the center of the room with the center rear speaker directly behind you (not off to the left/right). I tried a 6.1 setup and because I can't get it in the right place i've gone back to 5.1
     
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    OK, OK, I confess! I've never heard a 6.1 system!

    I was pushing your buttons.

    But... I do wonder whether the additional cost of a 6 channel power amp and a sixth 'speaker would offer a better ROI than just spending 20% more on a five channel amp and the existing five 'speakers.

    The rush to 6.1 reminds me of the rush from Pro Logic to Dolby Digital a couple of years ago. Everyone seemed intent on jumping on the DD bandwagon regardless of whether they had a good foundation or not.

    I'm sure we've all heard lousy DD setups and stunning DPL setups in our time. I know I have.

    D.
     
  16. jon smith

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    I started this thread the other night when I was drunk, so i'm surprised it actually made any sense.

    I suppose the main reason i was asking is that i've been quite tempted lately to ditch my Marantz 7200 and go for a 2nd hand power house AV amp from Yamaha or Denon (something along the lines of DSPA1 or the AVCA1D). The prices on those things second can be quite remarkable really for the quality on offer.
     
  17. Nic Rhodes

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    I think it fair to say most of us started out as sceptical re the benefits of 6.1 and 7.1. However when we heard them.....:)
     
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    Whilst i too sit firmly in the extended surround camp, DavidR is quite correct in one respect in so much as when up-grading to the Tag from the 3801 i found that R1 (dts) Saving Private Ryan sounded better through the Tag in humble analogue matrix (pro-logic) than it did in full DTS on the Denon, and i would certainly agree that good 5.1 is certainly better than mediocre 5.1 ex/es / 6.1.


    Steve.
     
  19. Ian J

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    When I first joined the forum in the early days of extended surround I asked whether it would work in places where the seating was tight against the rear wall and with not a great deal of room on the side walls either. I was worried that the four speakers would all be too close together resulting in a muddled mess.

    I received loads of answers, most of which were positive and I then asked the same question again requesting answers from people who had tried it and not just from theorists.

    Deathly silence was the result.

    Perhaps now that extended surround is more common I will ask the same question again. I have a Denon 10SE so if I go down this route it means that I have to buy a £500 amp plus two extra speakers and I would therefore like to know that it will work in my circumstances first.
     
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    No. As I´ve said before, you really need some depth behind you at the very least to achieve good results. Tinkering with delay times can help but if you are sitting directly up against the wall the surround backs will be overhead.

    Different story if you move the seating position forward to create the depth between the side and back surrounds.

    You could always experiment but means borrowing an amp & two speakers. Room acoustics comes into play as well, what´s good and works in one room might not work in another.
     
  21. Ian J

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    Thanks Jase, that's saved me a few hundred pounds :D

    The depth behind the seating is about four inches.
     
  22. Jase

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    Four inches can make all the difference, so I´m told.:devil: :D
     
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    But if he could stretch it to 7 the oher half may also enjoy it that much more ;)
     
  24. Ian J

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    Add the two together and you're closer to the mark.
     
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    Me neither, I even hate center speakers up front. IMO center/center rears are for one purpose only, to improve imaging in a accoustically bad room.

    People don't feel the need to use a center for 2ch audio, why film?

    Assuming the room is adequate give me 1 reason to use a center speaker?
     
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    Surely you need a centre speaker to locate the centre channel to the image.The dialogue should be as close to the picture as possible,just to create to a focal point.Leaving the other speakers free for the effects.
     
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    I did try 7.1 but with 5.1 material, and didn´t like it, so I went back to 5.1

    I will reconsider when there is enough 6.1 material
     

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