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Hi Sebnot to mention wife
Sorry if I've missed it - is this room to be dual purpose, or is it just for watching films?
Hi Sebnot to mention wife
Ignore Mark.forget I suggested it
Hi Seb
Sorry if I've missed it - is this room to be dual purpose, or is it just for watching films?
Argh, sorry, thought you were putting a fixed screen up. In that case, forget I suggested it
I am, putting the fixed frame screen on the wall but correct me if I am wrong to put the speakers behind I would have to a) get a AT screen and also preferably build a stud wall to hide the speakers in the wall (with opening for the screen and speakers behind it)? Or did you had something else in mind?
Just build a bracket to mount away from the wall. Took me a couple of hours.
Honestly, it’s so much better it’s not funny.
If you have the choice, don’t even hesitate.
Yes it will cost more, the the sound will pan seamlessly, it will sound like its coming direct from the actors mouths and as you can’t see your speakers, an optical illusion means you won’t find the sound coming from the speaker itself.
Hmm ... I have to do some more rendering
In the meantime. When you said you had your 7900 right against the wall did you mean that it was as close as possible with only margin for HDMI cable? Like less then 10cm?
I am asking because the closer to the wall I will get it the less zoom I will be forced to use = more contrast
Screen wise - should I be aiming for grey to boost the contrast because of my walls (I will only watch in pitch black conditions other the light from PJ) or can I get away with white one?
Or should I be looking not only at grey but full blown ALM?
What would you do?
It is doubling up as my home office also .
I am, putting the fixed frame screen on the wall but correct me if I am wrong to put the speakers behind I would have to a) get a AT screen and also preferably build a stud wall to hide the speakers in the wall (with opening for the screen and speakers behind it)? Or did you had something else in mind?
Me?
I’d cover the walls and ceilings in velvet!
Not sure what options you’ve got with different gain screens if you decide to go AT.
There are grey screens with micro holes which are ALR though I don’t know how good they actually are or whether you will notice the holes from his proposed viewing distance. I know HiViLux sell Fixed Frame ALR AT screens and I’m sure they could send him a piece of material to sample to see if it does the job.
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Perforated screens are pretty horrible though, you can even notice them at the cinema if you sit relatively close.
So not the wife's home office?It is doubling up as my home office also .
I’m not sure if the material is the same between commercial and domestic but there’s no harm in requesting a sample piece to see.
Nothing ventured nothing gained.
But I’m like you firmly in the treat the walls and ceiling camp.
Screen wise - should I be aiming for grey to boost the contrast because of my walls (I will only watch in pitch black conditions other the light from PJ) or can I get away with white one?
Or should I be looking not only at grey but full blown ALM?
What would you do?
This.Me?
I’d cover the walls and ceilings in velvet!
This.
I haven't owned either, but it's patently obvious that an Epson 9400 in a blacked out room will provide far more contrast than a JVC X7900 in a light coloured room.
You've got yourself a great projector. Do whatever you can to reduce in room reflections when it's film time.
Here’s a direct comparison on the same scene from Gemini Man. LG OLED top image and Epson bottom, ignore the colour differences because the Epson has been professionally calibrated and the LG hasn’t, concentrate on the sharpness and detail in the images. But it does show the importance of getting it calibrated.
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Both look great but when I go upstairs to the movie room I can instantly see the superior detail from the Epson.
I'm surprised if there's a problem with the sharpness of an OLED. The photos, however, are a different matter. I don't think you can use someone's photos of their screens as a good judge of how good the screens are. Lumi tries to get the results to look how he sees the results in room, but that's a pretty tough task, made even harder by using a phone, which is adding its own sharpening to an image that's already sharpened.Just reflecting on your OLED picture, have OLEDs MASSIVELY improved in terms of sharpness of image? Because the difference between my pictures (first photo is MINIMAL sharpening) and yours is night and day..?
I'm surprised if there's a problem with the sharpness of an OLED. The photos, however, are a different matter. I don't think you can use someone's photos of their screens as a good judge of how good the screens are. Lumi tries to get the results to look how he sees the results in room, but that's a pretty tough task, made even harder by using a phone, which is adding its own sharpening to an image that's already sharpened.
Can you post the two photos you're comparing? The 'sharper' (over sharpened) image Lumi posted was from the Epson I think.The difference between our two OLEDs is huge though, hence why I was wondering if maybe improvements had been made in OLED panels over the years or not.
It's not that simple, because the display has created an artificial image (due settings like sharpness and contrast), and then the camera software is doing the same thing on top (I'm also quite into photography, I'm a portrait photographer).I get trying to match colours and black levels to look similar to what you see in a room but sharpness is really not hard to capture on a flat panel IMO.
Its literally find focus and take the photo (I'm quite into photography).
Can you post the two photos you're comparing? The 'sharper' (over sharpened) image Lumi posted was from the Epson I think.
It's not that simple, because the display has created an artificial image (due settings like sharpness and contrast), and then the camera software is doing the same thing on top (I'm also quite into photography, I'm a portrait photographer).
So this is just using the TV settings (no image processor or MADVR) to replicate the sharpness difference within the TV set.
The softer one is what the creator intended (filmmaker mode, no image processing on, toned down the sharpening).
The 'sharper' one is, well, a sharpened image by the TV.
I could push the sharper second image farther but it is already looking IMO way too over sharpened and starting to illustrate one too many artifacts.
Projectors HAVE to do some form of sharpening because the projection is so huge but there is a difference between subtle and well not-so-subtle sharpening, which I think the settings on the Epson is producing. Now it doesn't really matter.. if you enjoy that look, brilliant but its not down to the sharpness of the lens.
I'm a bit into photography. This is not down to the lens of the projector being sharper or the panel. It's very similar to someone in photoshop messing with the 'clarity' and 'sharpness' slider in post.
I actually do like a sharper image so both on my old Epson and LG, I used to use a bit of artifical sharpening
However I really wouldn't use it as a unique selling point or advantage over a TV or any other projector. Most projectors can do it. Epson's slightly rely on it more than say other devices because its not a native 4K projector. If we disable ALL image enhancements on the Epson but leave it in 4k-eshift mode, I found the image to be a bit soft (well actually very soft, but this could also be due to the high size) (but then again, who cares as we can just enable it again ).