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Irate teachers threaten 'civil disobedience' | Education | The Observer

and not before time I wouldnt have thought.I heard through the grapevine that Gove is single biggest annoying idiot that those in the Education professions have had to deal with, and i am not just talking teachers either.His single biggest achievement so far seems to be have united the two major teaching unions, ie NUT and NASUWT,who normally are at loggerheads , to act in unison.
Then there is Michael Wilshaw the clown who heads ofsted who claimed that "high stress levels were good for education".I dont know which planet he hails from but it must be the one labeled Stupid.Teacher suicide rates have gone up by 80% , there are more stress related health problems in that profession that any other.How about some sensible solutions that involve consulting the very people who have to do the job at the frontline?
Teachers threaten to boycott Ofsted school inspections | Education | guardian.co.uk
 
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Irate teachers threaten 'civil disobedience' | Education | The Observer

and not before time I wouldnt have thought.I heard through the grapevine that Gove is single biggest annoying idiot that those in the Education professions have had to deal with, and i am not just talking teachers either.His single biggest achievement so far seems to be have united the two major teaching unions, ie NUT and NASUWT,who normally are at loggerheads , to act in unison.
Then there is Michael Wilshaw the clown who heads ofsted who claimed that "high stress levels were good for education".I dont know which planet he hails from but it must be the one labeled Stupid.Teacher suicide rates have gone up by 80% , there are more stress related health problems in that profession that any other.How about some sensible solutions that involve consulting the very people who have to do the job at the frontline?
Teachers threaten to boycott Ofsted school inspections | Education | guardian.co.uk

No point in consulting with teachers about their pensions - they clearly don't understand the value of what they get or how a defined benefit pension works, otherwise the Unions wouldn't keep 'pretending' that the scheme was in surplus etc!
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sidicks said:
No point in consulting with teachers about their pensions - they clearly don't understand the value of what they get or how a defined benefit pension works, otherwise the Unions wouldn't keep 'pretending' that the scheme was in surplus etc!
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Well what about the long list if other issues the teachers have.?
 
Well what about the long list if other issues the teachers have.?

Maybe some valid issues - but as we always end up discussing on these threads, the teaching Unions are very vocal about what they don't want to do, but very quiet about what should be done instead to improve standards.

Maybe the complaints about pay and pensions dilute their claims in other areas!
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sidicks said:
Maybe some valid issues - but as we always end up discussing on these threads, the teaching Unions are very vocal about what they don't want to do, but very quiet about what should be done instead to improve standards.

Maybe the complaints about pay and pensions dilute their claims in other areas!
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It has nothing to do with 'what they don't want to do' but with changes they are not prepared to accept. Have you seen the new national curriculum . ?
 
BISHI said:
It has nothing to do with 'what they don't want to do' but with changes they are not prepared to accept. Have you seen the new national curriculum . ?

Well vote for full privatisation and an end to State curriculums and interference. The trouble is you want it both ways. You want all the employment benefits of a state system but you don't want to accept the bosses telling you what they want. Cake and eat it,
 
From that article-


The UK spends an average sum on secondary school teachers, but our teachers work longer hours than the average across the OECD

... That's interesting too ..!
 

Maybe some changes were needed....
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Going back to repatative history like the kings and queens of England. They taught that at O Level in 1964/5 and was one of the reasons that I thought about dropping history. Then for 1965/6 it was the Industrial Revolution and the Chartists. Now that tickled my socialist brain and I got a grade A.

Surely the history of Britain is about it's people, not just a select bunch of rich rulers, listed in chronological order.
 
BISHI said:
From that article-

The UK spends an average sum on secondary school teachers, but our teachers work longer hours than the average across the OECD

... That's interesting too ..!

And this too-

and is one of only a few countries where richer pupils have more teachers than poorer ones.

I don't see them suggesting we have smaller class sizes for state schools, in fact they want to make them bigger ...!
 
From that article-


The UK spends an average sum on secondary school teachers, but our teachers work longer hours than the average across the OECD

... That's interesting too ..!

What's more interesting is that the proposal to pay the best teachers more - through a performance related pay scheme - is one of the things the unions are fighting against....
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sidicks said:
What's more interesting is that the proposal to pay the best teachers more - through a performance related pay scheme - is one of the things the unions are fighting against....
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Because it will be used to pay teachers less..!
 
Because it will be used to pay teachers less..!

That's a claim by the teachers with no evidence to support it (unless you can explain how the proposals would lead to overall pay being lower?).

The worst teachers might be paid less (and the best teachers would correspondingly be paid more), but that seems a sensible approach!
:smashin:
 
Going back to repatative history like the kings and queens of England. They taught that at O Level in 1964/5 and was one of the reasons that I thought about dropping history. Then for 1965/6 it was the Industrial Revolution and the Chartists. Now that tickled my socialist brain and I got a grade A.

Surely the history of Britain is about it's people, not just a select bunch of rich rulers, listed in chronological order.
I am a supporter of Gove's approach - I think it is essential we give our children a broadly chronological overview of British and highlight World history events. Yes there has to be analysis and detailed stovepiping in some selected areas - but a broad awareness of dates and key events is also very important if our children are to understand how Britain fits into the wider European and International scene.
 
What's more interesting is that the proposal to pay the best teachers more - through a performance related pay scheme - is one of the things the unions are fighting against....
:hiya:

Time to resurrect the 'sack poor teachers' debate. Some teachers think that they are as untouchable as economy wrecking bankers (sorry Sidicks the analogy had to be made).:devil:

Yet the poor teacher can leave a wake of under achievers behind them that surely deserve better. I'll happily back the teachers when they start sorting the wheat from the chaff in their own profession.
 
Time to resurrect the 'sack poor teachers' debate. Some teachers think that they are as untouchable as economy wrecking bankers (sorry Sidicks the analogy had to be made).:devil:
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1) The banks didn't wreck the economy (the Labour government did that), but they did lend recklessly and cause the credit crisis (I've never disputed that).

2) The bankers that caused the crisis have been fired (along with tens of thousands of bankers who had nothing to do with it!).

Yet the poor teacher can leave a wake of under achievers behind them that surely deserve better. I'll happily back the teachers when they start sorting the wheat from the chaff in their own profession.
:smashin:
 
sidicks said:
That's a claim by the teachers with no evidence to support it (unless you can explain how the proposals would lead to overall pay being lower?).

The worst teachers might be paid less (and the best teachers would correspondingly be paid more), but that seems a sensible approach!
:smashin:

Likewise, there is no evidence it will be used pay any teachers more. It is simply a mechanism to make academies more appealing to private sponsors so they can pay teachers less and maximise profits.
 
:smashin:
1) The banks didn't wreck the economy (the Labour government did that),

Duw, Duw, boys bach. It's like an episode of Robson Green's Extreme Fishing. I got a bite.:thumbsup:
 
Duw, Duw, boys bach. It's like an episode of Robson Green's Extreme Fishing. I got a bite.:thumbsup:

Might as well keep the thread factual (but let's not go off-topic...)
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Likewise, there is no evidence it will be used pay any teachers more. It is simply a mechanism to make academies more appealing to private sponsors so they can pay teachers less and maximise profits.

Foundation and acadamies will be exempt from the NC. Evidence of a two tier education within the 'state' schools perhaps?
 
It has nothing to do with 'what they don't want to do' but with changes they are not prepared to accept. Have you seen the new national curriculum . ?

i havent seen it either and so part of my reason for starting this thread is for the likes of you and,hopefully, others in the profession to enlighten us as to what is really going on and how this curriculum affects you all.This is important because its not just about our children's future but about the well being of the teachers themselves and their ability to carry out their work
 
i havent seen it either and so part of my reason for starting this thread is for the likes of you and,hopefully, others in the profession to enlighten us as to what is really going on and how this curriculum affects you all.

That may have been 'part of your reason', but given the following:

...I heard through the grapevine that [Gove is single biggest annoying idiot that those in the Education professions have had to deal with, and i am not just talking teachers either.

Then there is Michael Wilshaw the clown who heads ofsted who claimed that "high stress levels were good for education".I dont know which planet he hails from but it must be the one labeled Stupid.

I would suggest that the reason you started the thread was primarily just to make yet another attack on the Coalition government.
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If you really wanted to find out what is going on with this topic, you could have started a much more sensible thread!
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