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Iran admits shooting down airliner

So you think Iran deliberately downed that aircraft?
I doubt it that they did it deliberately, the flight they’ve then chosen would be so silly and stupid that it would seem a mistaken target.

No, I do believe they made a mistake in identifying the target. But how you can do that in 2020 with a commercial airliner is beyond me. It has plenty of visual and electronic identification. So from annIran government to blame it on a accident is still wrong. I appreciate they are under sanctions, for good reasons, but that is no excuse when being an aggressor like that to not safe guards innocent bystanders. The technology is there, the country has got highly skilled engineers in lots of different fields. No excuse at all.
 

hippo99

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Corbyn can't bring himself to say Iran shot down an aircraft. It was "a plane crash."

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By the same logic, Soleimaini died in "a car crash."

I suppose missiles were present but they weren't involved.
To be fair, the media are using the term ‘Plane crash’ to describe this in their news coverage though.
 

Sonic67

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Seems like the US is adopting it as a plan. Kill Americans, be targeted.



One of the U.S. officials named the Iranian who had been targeted as Abdul Reza Shahlai, a senior officer in the Revolutionary Guards’ elite Quds force, the unit in charge of foreign operations that had been headed by Soleimani.

The U.S. Treasury Department says he was based in Yemen and accused him of "a long history of targeting Americans and U.S. allies globally," including killing U.S.-led coalition forces in Iraq. It has offered a $15 million reward in connection with him under its "Rewards for Justice" here program.
 

Sonic67

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Protests continue in Tehran. Protesters are chanting many of the same slogans from #IranProtests of November 2019

They're chanting: "The regime told us our enemy is the US. But actually, our enemy is right here" [in reference to the regime itself]. Masih Alinejad 🏳 on Twitter
 

SDMDAM

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Well for me the decision to allow civilian aircraft to fly was ridiculous.yes, some human made an error in judgement and was trigger happy. But if it was not deliberate then by default it is accidental, no?
 
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Har-One

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Well I think your links are very selective. If you want to play that game then you need to go back a lot further to determine the original cause of the tensions in the middle east. How about “none of this would have happened had Al-Qaeda not attacked US soil.

You could certainly argue that the recent events would have not happened had Iran not been supporting terrorists and paramilitary groups in Iraq.

Cheers,

Nigel
What is the connection between Iran and Al-Qaeda? One of the countries most associated with Al-Qaeda is Saudi Arabia. They killed a journalist on their own embassy, keep a war in Yemen, fund extreme version of Islam and we call them friends. We even 'accidentally' sell them weapons even it is illegal to do so.
 

Har-One

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I wonder what our reaction would be if Putin or the Iranian leader kills a general in the US, UK or any of our allies?
 

nheather

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What is the connection between Iran and Al-Qaeda? One of the countries most associated with Al-Qaeda is Saudi Arabia. They killed a journalist on their own embassy, keep a war in Yemen, fund extreme version of Islam and we call them friends. We even 'accidentally' sell them weapons even it is illegal to do so.
Well firstly, I was just saying “if you want to play the blame game” you have to ho back further and I did soften it by bringing it back to more recent events.

But yes, tensions in the middle east have been high going back to the 50s maybe early but 911 marked a significant step change, the birth of terrorist activity that is still ongoing. We can’t know but I suspect that if that had not happened the tension in the middle east would be a lot less.

Cheers,

Nigel
 

richp007

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What is the connection between Iran and Al-Qaeda? One of the countries most associated with Al-Qaeda is Saudi Arabia. They killed a journalist on their own embassy, keep a war in Yemen, fund extreme version of Islam and we call them friends. We even 'accidentally' sell them weapons even it is illegal to do so.
Yes but none of that matters remember. It doesn't suit the narrative.

But returning to Iran, I look forward now to our government stepping up efforts to secure the release of the likes of Zaghari-Ratcliffe.
 

aVdub

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I wonder what our reaction would be if Putin or the Iranian leader kills a general in the US, UK or any of our allies?
One of our discussions at work the other day, was how would we react if a foreign power had launched a missile attack against a non national of this country and the result of this would action be that few innocent British citizens were also killed. With the country that launched it them putting their hands up and declaring "Hey we did that"

Generally we all agree that American peace and diplomacy around the world is normally done via an attempt to destabilise a country (resulting in countless deaths, murders and mayhem) or at the end of a 500lb guided missile.

On topic: It is a dreadful thing to happen, should not have happened at all and well done to the Iranians for admitting ASAP that it was them that shot it down.
 

MrFraggle

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On topic: It is a dreadful thing to happen, should not have happened at all and well done to the Iranians for admitting ASAP that it was them that shot it down.
Hardly ASAP as for a few days they were denying it.
 
One of our discussions at work the other day, was how would we react if a foreign power had launched a missile attack against a non national of this country and the result of this would action be that few innocent British citizens were also killed. With the country that launched it them putting their hands up and declaring "Hey we did that"

Generally we all agree that American peace and diplomacy around the world is normally done via an attempt to destabilise a country (resulting in countless deaths, murders and mayhem) or at the end of a 500lb guided missile.

On topic: It is a dreadful thing to happen, should not have happened at all and well done to the Iranians for admitting ASAP that it was them that shot it down.
ASAP admitting? Are you serious?
 

Sonic67

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I wonder what our reaction would be if Putin or the Iranian leader kills a general in the US, UK or any of our allies?
Start by saying it was all Trump's fault for whatever?

More seriously, after 911 and 7/7 we sent troops into Afghanistan didn't we?
 

Sonic67

Distinguished Member
Another happy person from Iran.


"Let me start with a greeting, a farewell or condolences, I am one of the millions of oppressed women in Iran who they have been playing with for years."

"They took me wherever they wanted. I wore whatever they said. Every sentence they ordered me to say, I repeated. Whenever they saw fit, they exploited me," she wrote, adding that credit always went to those in charge.

"I wasn't important to them. None of us mattered to them, we were tools," Alizadeh goes on to say, explaining that while the regime celebrated her medals, it criticized the sport she had chosen: "The virtue of a woman is not to stretch her legs!"

Alizadeh confirmed the rumors Saturday, saying she "didn't want to sit at the table of hypocrisy, lies, injustice and flattery" and that she did not want to be complicit with the regime's "corruption and lies."

"My troubled spirit does not fit with your dirty economic ties and tight political lobbies. I wish for nothing else than for Taekwondo, safety and for a happy and healthy life, she said adding that she was not invited to go to Europe.

She said the decision was harder than winning Olympic gold. "I remain a daughter of Iran wherever I am," she said.
 

BB3Lions

Distinguished Member
People moaning about trump blowing up a terrorist yet say nothing about the Iranians blowing up a passenger plane... Pathetic.
 

Sonic67

Distinguished Member

In one apparently symbolic act rejecting state propaganda, video showed students taking care not to walk over US and Israeli flags painted on the ground at Shahid Beheshti university in Tehran.

In some social media clips, protesters can be heard chanting anti-government slogans, including: "They are lying that our enemy is America, our enemy is right here."
 

JayCee

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People moaning about trump blowing up a terrorist yet say nothing about the Iranians blowing up a passenger plane... Pathetic.
Up to your usual twisted logic here.
I don't see anyone in this thread defending the Iranians for bringing down the plane.
 

Pacifico

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Well for me the decision to allow civilian aircraft to fly was ridiculous.yes, some human made an error in judgement and was trigger happy. But if it was not deliberate then by default it is accidental, no?
It cant be an accident, it was all Trumps fault..:smashin:
 

hippo99

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Up to your usual twisted logic here.
I don't see anyone in this thread defending the Iranians for bringing down the plane.
I believe the disagreement is more about some feeling there are mitigating circumstances for Iran shooting the plane down (ie US killing Soleimaini) and others feeling this is not a mitigating circumstance.
 

Pacifico

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Not sure why anyone would think there are any mitigating circumstances - Iran mistakenly fired an air defence missile at a civilian aircraft. That is not dependent on someone else doing something - it was simply a mistake by the Iranian operators that could have happened at any time.
 

Rasczak

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it was simply a mistake by the Iranian operators that could have happened at any time.
Not quite. The aircraft was shot down because the Iranian air defence was on heightened alert due to anticipated US retaliation following the Iranian strikes on the US Iraqi bases the day before (which, of course, was revenge for the US missile strike).
The downing of the airliner was a tragic consequence of the sabre rattling between Iran and the US.
 
Not quite. The aircraft was shot down because the Iranian air defence was on heightened alert due to anticipated US retaliation following the Iranian strikes on the US Iraqi bases the day before (which, of course, was revenge for the US missile strike).
The downing of the airliner was a tragic consequence of the sabre rattling between Iran and the US.
And that Sabre rattling only started with the assassination? Come on Iran is not innocent here at all. They’ve been at it for decades.

They could have chosen not to retaliate so they would not have had to be so scared. They could also have chosen to do their job and not fire and shoot at their own people.
 

SDMDAM

Well-known Member
And that Sabre rattling only started with the assassination? Come on Iran is not innocent here at all. They’ve been at it for decades.

They could have chosen not to retaliate so they would not have had to be so scared. They could also have chosen to do their job and not fire and shoot at their own people.
not one person on his thread has said that Iran is innocent. Many have said that shooting of the aircraft was an accident, which is probably was in a time of heightened anxiety brought on by both the US and Iran.
 

Sonic67

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