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Discussion in 'Headphones, Earphones & Portable Music' started by hulkhead, Jun 16, 2004.

  1. hulkhead

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    I am looking at getting a hard disk mp3 player. The two i am interested in are the Iriver iHP-140 Gb or the IPOD 40Gb.
    my question is has anyone experience of these players and can you let me know the pros and cons?

    Currently i am leaning towards the Iriver as it has has some excellent reviews and i think that ipod are too expensive.

    cheers
     
  2. andyk

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    I went through the same process, only to decide in the end on the Rio Karma - only to subsequently decide that I didn't hae an y money and not to buy anything. I'd have a look at the Karma though if I were you
     
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    After quite a bit of reasearch i went for the iriver.

    It had:

    Full display remote control
    FM radio
    16 battery life.
    Better sound
    Can handle Ogg files.
     
  4. Sinzer

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    I still prefer Flash MP3 players, solid state means that it is far more robust and I can take it out when mountain biking etc.

    I have 256meg player (can be upgraded to over a gig) and can fit around 10 albums on it with WMA encoding, I copy all my music off my own CDs. TBH I rarely change the albums although they are due for a change soon, but it takes less than 10mins to do so.

    All my mates with IPods etc. like them at first but in the end they never use anywhere near the capacity. I would save the money and buy something smaller and more robust.
     
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    Get yourself a Nokia 6230 with a 256 mb mem card!

    Then you have a quality phone, and an MP3 player that holds about 4 albums worth of music!

    If you want more, buy a bigger mem card!

    If you get it with a new contract, they are pretty cheap!
     
  6. hulkhead

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    thanks people but flash mem or phones are not what i am looking for.

    cheers
     
  7. hulkhead

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    thanks kennydies - can you let me know what you think of the sound quality?
     
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    The sound quality is excellent.

    I travel on the train quite a lot so I also bought some noise reducing earphones which further enhance the sound.
     
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    The good thing about ipods and the like is that you can easily record hundreds of albums onto them all at lossless quality.

    They absolutely own solid-state mp3 players.

    The creative jukebox zen xtra is supposed to be good.

    The Ipod mini is really small and practical and still holds 4GB which is still a great amount of music.
     
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    The other good thing about iPods is the excellent interface with iTunes.

    And they're a pleasure to use, too. The controls are excellent, and the sound quality is pretty decent if you get the settings right.

    They do a reasonable job if you use the base to connect it to an amp. This way, you can hijack people's stereos at parties, especially useful if your mates have no taste.
     
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    I really wouldn't want to take a £300 IPOD hurtling down a mountainside at 30mph+.

    Solid-state MP3 players have some huge advantages in terms of moving parts (lack of) and size :)

    However, as for disk-based MP3 players, IPOD would have to be the way forward, they just look so much better than any other competitors. Plus sound quality is not worth worrying about unless you are concerned with ripping CDs in WAV format, the mere act of using compression routines will lose you sound quality.

    I have tested quite a lot of players and there is zip difference in sound quality if you use the same headphones and the same ripped song.
     
  12. hulkhead

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    agree with you there but my requirement will be for a lot of daily commuting on trains and tubes so storage size is a must hence the hdd option.
     
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    looks are not that important for the player as it will spend all its time in my pocket :thumbsup: but the ipod does look good and the ipod mini in blue looks really nice.
     
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    Another vote for the iPod here.

    Can't really give you any comments comparing it to anything else, but I will say that iPod+iTunes work seamlessly together. Importing, burning, sync'ing, smart playlist creation are all a doddle. Plus iTMS has just launched here, used it yesterday with no problems at all.

    I've heard the 'style-over-substance' arguement before, but for me (not the most technologically advanced) it doesn't hold up, the whole process is so simple.
     
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    But you have to show it to your mates down the pub and the sexier the better, whats the point in all these gubbins if you can't show it off :)
     
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    Thats just when i am travelling. I do not want anyone to know what i have in my pocket and with the ipods white headphones its a dead give away as to what you have.

    With my mates thats different - but they have all seen ipods so a new gadget will go down well :)
     
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    I went for the iRiver because:

    The iRiver can connect to just about any PC/Mac via USB and if it has USB2 then the transfer of files is very fast. iPod's use firewire that many PC's don't have or you need the docking station.
    As larger drives become available you can upgrade them on the iRiver.
    The iRiver has optical and line level in & out
    The iRivers battery lasts about twice as long as the iPods.
    iRiver has a built in FM radio.
    You can buy the iRiver at discount prices, the iPod is fixed price.
    Theres no volume limiting on the iRiver.
    Most important to me - the rest of the world doesn't have an iRiver!!!

    Well thats about all I can think of for now, well it is nearly 04:30 in the morning :boring:
     
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    Have a look at the Samsung Napter,try ebay!
     
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    I went for the iriver ihp140 (40Gb) and all i can say is WOW! what an excellent piece of kit. Easy to use and sounds superb. Just need to transfer my cd collection to it.

    I recommend this over an Ipod any day. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
     
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    I went for the I-River (40Gb) due to battery life, which is excellent, and price.
    At the time I could get a 40Gb I-River for the price of a 20Gb IPOD.
    I paid £275 about 6 weeks ago.
     
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    This thread is in the wrong forum. Moving for General Chat to Music delivery systems.
     
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    I only have a passing acquantance with the iPod, but it sounded OK to me. That was just with the standard headphones though - obviously better quality units would have impressed more.


    I own the iRiver H140 however and I can say that the sound quality is very impressive. If you hook it up to a good amp through the digital IO it can be virtually indistinguishable from source CDs with a good enough bitrate and a decent encoder app. With .wav files it is undeniably identical to the original CD. According to any reviews I've seen it can drive more headphones than the iPod as it has a more powerful headphone amp.

    Overall the iRiver H140 blows away the same-capacity iPod on most features: it has a decent FM tuner, digital (optical) and analogue line in/out, built in mic, can record and convert to mp3 on the fly from standard audio sources, **absolutely no DRM rubbish**, LCD remote, supports OGG/ WMA/ .wav, and is fully usable as a hard drive with no drivers needed on modern machines (USB mass storage compliant _for all files, including the mp3s_) with no need for cradles. It also tends to be cheaper than the 40gig iPod.

    The iPod has an arguably nicer interface and finish, but the iRiver is equally well constructed. It just happens to look more techie than the minimalist iPod, and the default 'file tree' would appeal more to IT-savvy people than the computer illiterate.


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    Where is the best place to buy an IRiver?
     
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    in your experience what is the best format to record in? ignoring for now ogg. mp3 or wma and at what compression. I have been trying wma & mp3 with vbr and so far wma sounds better. What do you reckon?

    scrapbook - i bought my iriver from advancedmp3palyers.co.uk. Excellent service.
     
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    With a quick search on Pricerunner I found the 40Gb @ £255 Here & the 20Gb @ £209 Here.

    Mark.
     
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    can u link these IRivers up to an amp straight out of the box or do u need a cradle or something similar?

    What is the method of connection? Normal analogue or co-axial or optical?

    This product all sounds rather interesting!!
     
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    scrapbook - i have the ihp140 (40GB) and i connect it to my amp with an optical cable (not supplied with device). The iriver has optical in and out connections. Works a treat.

    you can also do 'normal analogue from the headphone socket if you want...
     
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    The iRiver also has the analogue line in & out sockets (same socket as for the optical), so no need to use the headphone socket. You get a jack to jack stereo lead supplied (for connecting to PC sound card etc) but for an amp you will need to replace it with jack to 2 phono lead (not supplied but easily available from Maplins etc).

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    You can hook up straight OoTB. No cradle is needed, there are two dual function analogue/digital sockets on the top of the H120/140 for input and output. You either use a standard 3.5mm to phono for analogue or buy a TOSlink to mini-optical for the digital IO (this is the same cable you'd use on a Sony MD to record from a digital optical connection).

    For computer connection there is a mini-USB socket on the bottom of the unit. Just plug it into any computer with USB1 or USB2, a recent OS (Windows ME and up or Mac OSX) and it appears as a removable hard disk drive.

    There's no DRM, just copy any type of file, including mp3, to/from the unit as you please. I believe it supports SCMS on the optical input though so it woudn't record 'protected' material via that interface. I've not tried that yet though.


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    I have been looking at a few IRivers.

    So tell what are the disadvantges to one..what can't it do that you think it should be able to?

    I seem to recall seeing that you can't create a play list. Does that mean if i have 30 singles on there, that I can't pick out say 10 of them to play one after another without having to manually select each one after the previous has finished playing?
     

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