I suppose this has been debated to death, but I'll ask anyway. I'm after an mp3 player for the car as I've grown tired of messing about with CD's. It will be exclusively for the car - I never listen to music when I'm walking anywhere etc. (besides - the little earphones always fall out of my ears!) I don't use ITunes software on my PC or anything like that - I just have all my mp3's in folders on a dedicated hard drive. So it would be nice to just be able to drag & drop them via firewire into the mp3 player, which if I understand right the iRivers can do, but the iPods can't? How fiddly is the iPod software in that respect? Regarding playlists - can I just dump my mp3's into the player and then create playlists (presumably the folder structure I have on my PC, i.e. Artist>Album>Tracks will be preserved when I copy over?) or do I have to make playlist on the PC then copy it over to the mp3 player? I'd rather not have to do the latter. Do I need to have all the ID3 tags filled in for a playlist to be possible, or can it be done simply from filenames? As regards battery life I'm not too concerned as I will probably plug it into the cigarette lighter when in use, but ability to upgrade the hard disc capacity would be nice as I have over 100GB of mp3's on my PC... iPod is more tempting as it's clearly the accepted "standard" and you can buy nice docking stations for the car etc. But would those of you with experience of these things be likely to say that an iRiver would suit me better?