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iPhone 4 to 4S --> am I missing something?

dr no

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Managed to swindle a free upgrade to a 4S today.
I only ever would have done if it was totally free.

BUT even then I cannot see any difference whatsoever.

Not not wanting to start any arguments but seriously why did they release this other than sales?

In use the 4 is identical except for the gimmick that is Siri.

I am wondering if am missing something or is it truly the most pointless upgrade ever?
 

dc8900

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The other main upgrades is the considerably better camera and the dual-core A5 CPU
 

dr no

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I know about the hardware uppage but the 4 was mighty fas already and can anyone tell differences in the camera pictures? a Decent 5M pixel is more than good enough for most people, IMO.

I am comparing both side by side and I honestly cannot see any extra speed. Not there is any need for any more speed.

I suspect the power of dualcore A5 chip will be more demonstrated by newer software in time.
 

dc8900

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I know about the hardware uppage but the 4 was mighty fas already and can anyone tell differences in the camera pictures? a Decent 5M pixel is more than good enough for most people, IMO.
the camera upgrade is not really about the megapixel count but the fact that this one has much better optics in regards to having a larger aperture allowing for more light and in turn brighter and better pictures, there is difference between the two. However, I can imagine for a lot of people that might not be that a compelling reason.
 

Demon Luci

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The leap in camera performance is much better than you're making out and was my main reason for moving from 4 to 4S.

With your various comments why did you even bother "swindling" a so-called upgrade. As the name suggests, the 4S is an upgraded 4 (including aforementioned CPU) not a revolutionary new phone.

I couldn't care less about Siri TBH. It's more of an interesting beta than a full blown feature IMO.

Generally though, I don't get the point or agree with this thread. I'm reluctant to throw the T word around, but it doesn't seem much more than that...
 

dr no

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How much better can the optics be. I thought the 4 took excellent photos already.
I only take phone pics to reference documents or on the spot children moments etc..
Otherwise I have a Panasonic TZ20 or a Canon DSLR.

I wasn't expecting much while waiting for the genuine next iPhone in 5 but am surprised at how small, if any, a difference this is.
 

Miss Mandy

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The 4S is an upgrade of the 4 so you should have expected it to be essentially the same model with a couple of minor differences. From my understanding the main reason for releasing an upgraded model is to catch all the 3GS users nearing the end of 2 year contracts looking to upgrade. Personally I don't think it is enough of an upgrade for a 4 user to get one, but definitely worth it if you're using a 3G or 3GS.

Or essentially, as with any company, its all about the money! :D
 

dr no

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The 4S is an upgrade of the 4 so you should have expected it to be essentially the same model with a couple of minor differences. From my understanding the main reason for releasing an upgraded model is to catch all the 3GS users nearing the end of 2 year contracts looking to upgrade. Personally I don't think it is enough of an upgrade for a 4 user to get one, but definitely worth it if you're using a 3G or 3GS.

Or essentially, as with any company, its all about the money! :D
Totally agree with you.

The reason for the thread was to express my disappointment and not to be labelled a 'T..' anything by anyone or be flamed. I have enough iOS devices lying around to have an opinion.

You never know might help somebody somewhere
 
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dc8900

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The 4S is an upgrade of the 4 so you should have expected it to be essentially the same model with a couple of minor differences. From my understanding the main reason for releasing an upgraded model is to catch all the 3GS users nearing the end of 2 year contracts looking to upgrade. Personally I don't think it is enough of an upgrade for a 4 user to get one, but definitely worth it if you're using a 3G or 3GS.
hit-nail-head
 

RobM

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Sell it then. If it's a free upgrade and your iP4 does everything you need, sell it and bank the money.

For other people, myself included, it was a very worthwhile upgrade. The camera and video recording quality alone make it worthwhile, the extra graphics performance and the new games released optimised for it are fantastic and Siri is useful and about to get even more useful when business search goes live for the UK.

But if you don't care for any of that, take the cash instead. Simples.
 

dr no

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I plan to wait for newer software to make better use of it in time :)
Certainly more future proof with the iOS updates.
The 4 I'll be passing down for now.
 

bpsmith

Well-known Member
I got the 4S to replace my 4 and chuffed with it in fairness. We ALL knew it was an update to the 4 before purchase and your in the minority in being disappointed tbh.

The S in 4S should be for Superb. It takes a great phone in the 4 and makes it perfect IMHO.

Yes the 5 will be even better, but then isn't that the point!?!
 

dr no

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I agree it is a great phone.
And it'll become even better :)
 

gkpm

Novice Member
Agree ^^^, Apple tends to enable features we hadn't thought of until well after the launch. Like how the 4 gained many features with iOS 5. The 4S has a lot of untapped potential.

Apart from what was already mentioned I also definitely see better performance compared to the 4. I was looking for a video that show this, hopefully this one isn't too bad. Looks OK for a simple demo:



I know it's just a couple of seconds difference in each app, but every little bit helps to make it feel snappier.
 
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RobM

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I know it's just a couple of seconds difference in each app, but every little bit helps to make it feel snappier.
That's the difference between a UX that's considered slick and responsive and one that's considered slow and sluggish, it only takes a second or two of difference to transform the experience.

The other factor is transitions, the little details that go into switching Apps, pages, menus etc. These get slicker and more fluid with a power increase, compared to a jerky or hesitant animation.

There does come a point where more power doesn't bring any benefits to the UX, so simply throwing horsepower at a device isn't always necessary or of benefit, but if it it is done alongside the design and development of the OS itself, it works :)
 

niceguy235uk

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Agree ^^^, Apple tends to enable features we hadn't thought of until well after the launch. Like how the 4 gained many features with iOS 5. The 4S has a lot of untapped potential.

Apart from what was already mentioned I also definitely see better performance compared to the 4. I was looking for a video that show this, hopefully this one isn't too bad. Looks OK for a simple demo:

iPhone 4S vs iPhone 4 - Speed Test - YouTube


I know it's just a couple of seconds difference in each app, but every little bit helps to make it feel snappier.
Indeed, there is a speed increase, but like stated, unless you want the 4S for better graphics etc, then upgrading from a 4 just doesnt look worth it, unless, of course you had a 3G/S or it was a free upgrade.

Approx 1 sec speed increase isnt exactly earth shattering.

I have a 4.
 

williamus

Active Member
I have an 18 month old iP4. It's still immaculate and I'm very happy with it. However, I'd love to have an 4s because:

1. I'd like the even better camera
2. I'd like to use Airplay with the TV
3. I'd like 64gb - I'm already having to juggle high bit-rate music, music videos, films and OS maps all competing for capacity on my 32gb iP4
4. I don't think I've ever had a mobile for this long and it's likely to be well over 2 years old by the time I get my hands on the iP5 incarnation
5. Siri's got to be fun especially when we get UK functionality on locations
6. I'd love a white 4s - they do look fabulous
7. Mrs W would inherit my iP4 and she'd really appreciate the 4 over her 3Gs

So why have I still got an iP4? I buy my handsets SIM Free and not even I can justify spending £699 on an upgrade. There are plenty of good sound reasons for people buying the 4s, I just don't have enough of them. But I haven't got any sour grapes about people getting the 4s, it's a wonderful piece of kit.
 
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RobM

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Indeed, there is a speed increase, but like stated, unless you want the 4S for better graphics etc, then upgrading from a 4 just doesnt look worth it, unless, of course you had a 3G/S or it was a free upgrade.

Approx 1 sec speed increase isnt exactly earth shattering.

I have a 4.
Or the better camera. Or Full HD video recording. Or image stabilisation. Or HD Airplay mirroring. Or Siri... OR, or... or more than just a speed increase and better graphics.
 

dr no

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I went down to 16gb from 32gb thinking I wouldn't miss it as I don't really have hardly any videos or music.

But on trying to restore from back up I had get rid of about 8gb of stuff before restoring!!! Obviously I had a bigger need for space than I thought! I literally have too many apps. Incase I might use them.
Next time I will go back to 32gb at least.

Siri I switched off after a quick play.

Incidently my wife declined my iP4 to keep her Galaxy Note.
She just cannot see herself downsizing the screen size and quality.
 

dr no

Moderator
Agree ^^^, Apple tends to enable features we hadn't thought of until well after the launch. Like how the 4 gained many features with iOS 5. The 4S has a lot of untapped potential.

Apart from what was already mentioned I also definitely see better performance compared to the 4. I was looking for a video that show this, hopefully this one isn't too bad. Looks OK for a simple demo:

I know it's just a couple of seconds difference in each app, but every little bit helps to make it feel snappier.
Interesting video.
Didn't feel that much faster in use but the video clearly shows an improved speed.
 

spookster

Active Member
Anyone care to speculate what processor the iphone 5 will have in terms of: will it be the same margin of difference between the 4 and 4s?

I know games like Infinity Blade II has a quite obvious difference in speed on the 4s compared to the 4...but if we get another mass leap in power/speed...is it overkill based on the fact software development has to also catch up - along with more obvious issues like storage space for 1gb+ installs and batter life?

Got to be honest, I doubt I'll get the IP5. I tend to hold onto a phone for 2 years so I always feel like I'm making a massive jump next time I upgrade.

Although, if networks in the UK start using 4G...
 

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