Discussion in 'Music Streamers' started by Ed Selley, Aug 4, 2015.
No more excuses for not ripping that CD collection.
Read the review.
'While I have no issue with FLAC- it is the format I use by preference- I recognise that OSX users in particular might be keen for ALAC/AIFF to be an option to ensure continued use with iTunes. '
As this is using Vortexbox as it its underlying software if you look at 'Flac Mirror' (the fourth icon down) it allows you to set up automatic ALAC and MP3 mirroring (with the option of 4 different bit rates for MP3).
Also under Vortexbox upgrade - the bottom icon - there is the Squeezebox Server Airplay Plugin. The LMS Airplay plugin lets you stream music from an iOS device (iPhone, iPad) to a player controlled by LMS, such as a Squeezelite player running on VortexBox, or a hardware Squeezebox player (Touch, Boom, Transporter, Duet, ...).
So Apple users are catered for but you seemed to have missed this when you reviewed the software.
Vortexbox has been around for a long time and is a free download (Downloads- VortexBox user forum and can run on any old PC so this box is just really a pre-configured VB box for those that do not want to burn an ISO disc and put it into a drive.
I have owned one of these for three years now and have never had any issues with it. Thanks for the review which I agree with and it is good to see it get a recommended badge.
here we go again...it is getting annoying
The Vortexbox software is free. I've built one of these boxes myself for a lot cheaper, added a decent USB dac and the results are fabulous. The software is pretty rock solid too!
I mean - constant changing of law. Now is illegal, now is not, now is illegal again, etc...
Just found this:
"The powers that be in the UK’s High Court have just introduced a new ruling that, in one swoop, has just made more or less every single computer user in the country a digital outlaw.
The new law is related to copyrighted content, specifically recreating it without the permission of the copyright holder.
Creating backups on your computer.
Whether it’s music or other things, there’s a pretty sure-fire bet that your computer will contain some copyrighted contented, making a copy, even for ‘personal use’ is breaking the law.
Ripping CDs to your iTunes (or any other program)
Which basically means that software like iTunes is also illegal as they have built in functionality to facilitate this. At least you can feel safe in the knowledge that you’re taking Apple down with you.
Changing the format of any file that you don’t own the copyright for
Need to change that mp3 into a wma.? Well tough luck buddy. That’s bona fide law breaking right there."
This is getting nuts!!!!
It has just gone back to the way it has always been. However the police are not going to be knocking on your door because this is one law they do not have the resources to police. They only way they would do something is to go after those breaking the law for financial gain - selling illegal copies.
The review mentions that it is high priced compared to a NAS. However he does not take into account that you need a computer and a programme to download your CDs into it, which are already incorporated into the zen build.
There should be a distinction of comparison. Like for like.
For instance a nas is a nas. A CD ripper storage is a different kettle of fish.
The Zen is faster than a nas as well.
I have listened to this unit through a rega r dac.
The sound reproduction is excellent.
Its horses for courses here.
Some people don't want to tinker with building boxes, they just want to have something to put their CD collection on and play it through their existing set up of amp and speakers.
I would suggest that most of the coments here have been generated looking at specs and price rather than finding a dealer and listening to one set up and running.
You will be surprised how good they are.
My thoughts are that many dealers were stung with the likes of the quality issues of past products like this..the Olive springs to mind, and once there are failures that linger causing the dealer headaches, its easier to not sell anything remotely like them again.
Plus the mark ups margins of 35% to 40% on things like streamers. Shops usually push what they know, and set ups they are comfortable with, if there are any problems. That's why they don't sell the nas and tell you to speak to the nas manufacturer, if a problem crops up.
I only know of one shop that will set up a nas and give you support ripping your collection, taking over your computer by wifi if necessary, from their store.
The Zen is a good product and worth a listen to.
With the release of the new Zen models next week, I would highly recommend anyone with existing models to have their software upgraded to the software in the new Zens. Far better looking, and no need for a PC anymore to change incorrect metadata or artwork. Good times!
We have spent some time with the Zen and have now decided to offer it to our clients. It is versatile, user friendly and does what it's supposed to do without fuss.
We will have it on dem connected to a Lyngdorf TDAI2170/Lyngdorf SDA 2400 power amp running a 2.2 MK 300/X10 speaker system.
We use both the Innuos Mini and Zenith MK2 with our Lyngdorf and Gato fully digital amplifiers with fantastic results.
We use the ZENith MKII with our Moon and Hegel based streaming systems with reliable, flawless results.
(just thought I'd add to the dealer listing in the thread )
Any plans to review the ZENith Statement Ed?
David is the separate unit a power supply?
Yes - purely a power supply to remove it from the audio side of the ZENith.
Thank you David, I thought it probably could be, nice to have it confirmed though.....should be pretty special.
Seriously though, the Zenith Statement is going to cost ££££££ and then some.
Crikey, given that the zenith SE cost £5000, I think it's a fair guess that this will cost £6000 or more - just to send clean and accurate 1's and 0's to whatever DAC you buy? I have been intending to buy an Innuos for ages. I telephoned them to ask when they would be releasing a silver version of the standard Zenith (there were internet posts about sometime during 2018), ended up getting into a conversation about the SE version, and started to lose faith in their credibility when the guy started talking about the Zenith sounding better through a high and USB cable.
I'm dictating this message on my iPhone. I kid you not, when I just said Innuos, it got typed out as 'in your arse' - I wonder if my phone is trying to tell me something
I’m sure if you wanted a silver ZENith they’d be able to supply one, unless they’d rather offer it officially before doing so. Seeing as the silver faceplate has even used on the SE and now the Statement, I can’t see why not, as there’s nothing on it to denote the model, as that’s on the top casework (which will still be black despite the silver face plate).
That sounds like a valid point to me David. I could try calling again, as when I last spoke to them they only had the SE, which was limited to 100 units, and they said they were only one or two left for sale in the country – that was back in February, the week before the Bristol show. I can't imagine the statement sounding noticeably better than the standard version to my ears, in my domestic setting. Last time I was at Frank Harvey, I listened to the standard version through their KEF blades and it seemed to me to cleanly extract everything you could reasonably expect from the recordings in every way.
It’s that sort of system that makes the differences appreciable. When I worked there, we did an open day with Innuos and after hearing the difference between the ZEN and ZENith on that system, I realised that I couldn’t change my original ZEN to the new ZEN just for the new software - I was going to have to go for the ZENith! Hence why I have had it on demo at my place since day one. I doubt there’ll be any “night and day” differences going on, but a good, well balanced system is going to make the differences that there are plainly audible. I don’t want to hear one...
Got to be worth a listen David.....even if the price tag is a little bit scary.
Interested in one of these or the newer MK2's but wanting to know if there is any fundamental difference in both?
The Mark IIs were a new design. I don’t know how much changed internally, but new casework (and probably chassis), and the new ones came with the new InnuOS software loaded, although Mark I players can have this added for a fee.
Thanks for the speedy reply
From what I can see nothing much has changed internally apart from an uprated processor. My big concern on the older ones was indeed the software side but on seeing the fact they can be updated this has alleviated somewhat.
Any idea on cost of update?
I wouldn't like to say what it used to be in case it has changed, but at the time it was over the £100 mark. The newer products have received upgraded processors to do what they're designed to do, and to deal with the likes of Roon. Power supplies for the higher models may well have changed too.
Thanks again. Sounds like unless I can get a MK1 mini for cheap it may just be better to go for mini MkII.
Since the MkIIs came out, there has been a price rise, so I’m presuming the upgrade price may have changed too. I’ve not had anyone do that upgrade though, so can’t honestly say either way. It’s not listed on the price list.
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