Indoor Video Capture

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    1. OptiMystic

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      I’m looking for a video and audio solution for indoor lectures and demonstrations. I’ve found a wireless lapel mic that seems to work but I’m open to suggestions.

      For cameras, I’m looking at the Panasonic PTZ. Does anyone have any experience with these or have alternate suggestions?

      Our studio office is 20x20 so we are limited with space. We want to avoid any fish eye lenses that make up appear in a fish bowl but we will be roughly 10’ from the camera.

      Thanks in advance. I’ll look into everyone suggestions.
       
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      I am a little confused, Panasonic PTZ cameras look like CCTV cams.
      I would suggest a camcorder with a wide angle of lens as standard, say around 25mm, both Canon and Sony would have such a model. From my own experience the Panasonic HC-V800 would exactly fit the bill. (some idiots think I am pushing Panasonic, not so, it is because I have experience with this range but not the other two) This camera has a 25mm wide angle and a mic input socket for your wireless mic. Incidentally I use a BOYA BY-WM5 wireless mic with this camera.
      Most modern cams have good low light capability so you should not need any extra lighting but if you feel extra lights would help there are many LED based photofloods available on Amazon.
       
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      They claim to be professional grade lecture cameras.
      I will look into the HCV800. Thank you for your reply.
       
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      'I’m looking for a video and audio solution for indoor lectures and demonstrations' - some more information on the proposed setup would be good, lectures and demonstrations could require very different kit/setup.

      Are you planning to live stream or record, edit and broadcast/host on a website.

      Budget?

      Joe
       
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      Hi Joe i'm hoping to do all of those. The PTZ's are roughly $3000
       
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      I think these are cameras used for multiple remote-action where they are then Edited after recording. Probably unnecessary where your set-up is more-or-less a fixed indoor studio.
      +Can we presume this is for interviews/product-selling /training etc. where both the person and a product needs to be filmed? This was not very clear.
      People rarely improve being filmed using a WA lens and in general manual focus is preferable, which kinda implies having a separate monitor to check framing, focus and so on. A modest zoom-lens should suit well. If you spend some of your budget on a second camera that will provide Cutaways for the Editor - but they'll need to be skilled if this is a live-broadcast. Mistakes can be removed by Editing after recording and this is IMHO the best route to make sure the Event is snappy = as good as possible.
      Joe Fernand asked for more details - and I'd agree, the initial Info was too light.
      +As to lighting: it is rare not to provide this using 3-point lighting (for any studio set-up), as you want to keep the background light-level lower than the subject to hold the viewers' attention, whilst avoiding shadows either on the subjects - or the background. Similarly the product may need special lighting- especially if it's glossy / very polished. Having a camera with manual exposure-setting will also help. Lighting need not be expensive, but professional LEDs use a different phosphor to the cheaper types . . . this shows in careful examination of the colours.
      However, you've not said what experience you have in this.... that may be the most important aspect... along with whoever makes up the "crew".
      Perhaps you can also tell us why the PTZ was chosen in the first place?

      Cheers.
       
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      This can be good for inspiration
      11 Best Video Cameras for Recording Lectures in the Classroom

      Recording Video Lectures, a guide by Erik and Martin Demaine
       
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      'However, you've not said what experience you have in this.... that may be the most important aspect... along with whoever makes up the "crew".' - agree 100%, if this is going to be important to you/the customer and is new to you then bring in a specialist who can put together a suitable studio and staff training/production crew.

      Joe
       
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      It would certainly help to get background on your project. Who are your audience and what do you want from the project.
       
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      I'll be more clear of my camera needs or perhaps wide angle lens needs. I have 9' from where the camera can be stationed to the a viewing area that is 10' high by 18' wide, hence my requirement for a wide lens. A friend recommended a PTZ so I've looked into it. I do not require live stream as most would be edited footage. My studio has sufficient LED lighting from multiple sources. A lens clip I found for my iPhone8 give a terrific field of vision - the lens has a .35x on the side.
       
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      All cams can be fitted with a wide angle add on lens. I had a Neewer 0.45mm wide angle for my HC-V750, this gave an equivalent of 0.15x without viginetting. The V800 has a 62mm lens mount so not sourced a wide angle for that one yet.
       
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      You room dimensions are putting filming under some pressure - is this because the room is limited, or that that's where you have been given, perhaps?
      Conversion lenses do introduce some measure of distortion and may cut corners too. However, if you find one that works OK for your needs, that's the solution.
      You can get close to the WA need (or not) by filming the stage with/without the conversion lens....OR you can take a still using a compact camera with a known WA spec, then relate that to the camcorder you wish to use. i.e. Try before you Buy.
      Could it be your friend has extensive experience of these PTZ cameras? ( They're never mentioned here, AGAIK.)
      A ( pair of ) modest camcorders could be a better use of Funds - but you've not said "what" you are filming - Especially if one is not so wide, as this is rather easier for the audience to follow - Wide-angles mean their attention is not directed. You can zoom-in at the Edit stage, but this shows up definition loss and focus errors. Even if you have only one "position" it is a great help to the Editor to have different shots available. This may put pressure on the Operator, but the WA can be left alone as defects won't show much - However the "better" footage will need the zoomed-in camera to be more accurate - so the Editor has the WA to fall back on.
      As I may have mentioned the use of lighting should be to direct the audience's attention to the Speaker/Product(etc.) and it also helps to allow the background to be less distracting. Out eyes are poor judges of lighting ( due to our brains' ability ), but the background should be visually obviously darker than the subject(s) - and this may mean having some control of light-positioning - rather than lighting as I understand you suggested.
       
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      I am limited by the size of the studio. Here is some footage of the space using an iPhone with a clip lens. Using airpods for the audio didn’t help either. Https://www.bit.ly/2EAPVX6
       
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      So I presume you are filming golf swings.:laugh:
      Returning to my suggestion of a camcorder, the 800 will easily take in your subject PLUS it has a slow motion feature which, I would suggest, is essential for golf training. In fact this camera range has been used by others for exactly that purpose.
      The use of a wide angle add on lens does not cause the problems suggested above because it is rare that you would use it at the full wide zoom on the camera. These lenses do show signs of ""barreling" at the widest angle but moving the zoom in a bit solves this as well as viginetting.
      Lighting is certainly not a problem from the shots shown.
      You will get echo when using the on-board mics but it would be so easy to set up a mic wired to the camera for close up sound capture.

      The suggestion of two cameras, one facing the golfer and one to the RHS is a good idea especially as most video editors can now sync the two shots together.
       
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      I have 2 Point Grey grasshopper USB3 cams I use for video swing analysis so i can get 120fps; similar to the casio exF1 I use outside. this camera does not have a throw capable enough to sit at the back of the room and get me swinging in the shot.
      I steered away from camcorders years ago (panasonic 3ccd was my last) because again, I could't get the frame large enough without a fish eye which made the whole view rounded
       
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      I think you will find it is very different now. At one time fish eye were all the rage. The 0.45x I use on my 750 shows no sign of barreling but slight viginetting at the widest angle setting. I often use the lens for inside shots and it is like increasing the room size by half again.
       
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      Many Sony camcorders offer a "Golf-Shot" feature...this puts many exposures on one frame ( as I understand)....not sure if it's a moving image but it's probably not that important, since you can study each swing sliced into many pieces.
      It resembles those multiple-flash photos way back in strobe-days, with film.

      Not sure how the lens-angle helps - and you'll need to trigger the shot using the ball-sound . . . Sorry, you can tell I've not used the feature on my Sony.... but I often use the 5x filming Slo-Mo .... but I understand Sony has dropped this for their latest camcorders . . . . 4K tech. may be the reason.
      Maybe worth getting a Demo . . . ?​
      Someone will have a sony camcorder.... and has probably never used the high-speed features.

      Cheers
       
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      Thank you for all your input. For the actual swing capture, my dual UsB3.0 are great. I run them all thru a software called GASP and then to make a info/Vlog type video, I use a broadcasting software called Xsplit with 2 Logitech 922 and a yeti mic but I’m looking to upgrade to a better camera and a lapel mic, hence my post. I’m checking out camcorders tomorrow for the right focal length.
       
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      I’ve also tried a GoPro hero 5 on 2.7K @ 60fps using the Linear view and it’s a great image. Also connected the audio usbC cable for the wireless mic and it’s a step up from logitech (which has a slight lag)
       
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      The Blackmagic range of cameras are really aimed at film-making professionals.... typically they are not very easy to use and whilst having interchangeable lenses may appear a step-up, it introduces are new chapter of difficulty + Cost ...IMHO. .
      The one (you linked) is a serious camera for professionals, but it will be expensive. Clearly this is aimed at extreme sport filming, where the small size and remote controlling are hugely important. It may find situations in action-films too where the car-crash is a 1-off event, the camera-cost is of little consequence.
      Typically Blackmagics will provide more filmic-quality.... but this is often a result of their ability to give wide image-grading which you process in Post. Film-makers love this; but for my money it adds little to a good story. They are as sharp as the lens you buy . . . and typically folks use fixed-focal-length Lens ( Non-Zoom) as they are filming from a Script and can move the camera between "takes". For sports the lens can suit the position and field of view.... allowing large-aperture, long-lenses to be used - but these will be very expensive pieces of glass.
      A Pro-camcorder, for a smaller investment, offers far more certainly and most also have the low-contrast Option - if that's your thing.... but not of interest to Sports activities, I'm guessing.
      You could try hiring one . . . .


      Good Luck.
       
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