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  1. Xstyle

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    I want to create a good in-wall Home Cinema system...
    what speakers will be best for this purpose?
    The lounge is not very big .... 12ft x 12ft? ...then with the L-shaped bit with the dining area.

    Plasma on the wall... will get seperate DVD player, AV Receiver...
    and need thin speakers so that they fit in the wall.

    I've been considering these:

    B&W Speakers CWM200 = £88 each
    http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model CWM200

    or

    Mission IN-WALL Speakers £180 pair
    http://www.hifistore.co.uk/product.php?qsProd=FSPROINWALL

    or

    KEF Ci160.2FR IN-WALL £150 pair
    http://www.hifistore.co.uk/product.php?qsProd=CI160FR


    any others I should be considering?? (don't want to spend loads more!)

    Cheers,
    Sid
     
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    Thanks to IanJ for recommending the sub ... BK xls200...
    now what speakers should I get?

    Haven'd decided on AV receiver or the HDMi/DVi dvd player yet.
    (apart from the Plasma 435XDE!)
     
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    Does NOBODY here have the speakers set in their walls then?

    If not... why not???
     
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    moviemike has just put some boston in walls in his HC that he is building in walls a far less common in UK than US, Canton Boston and Sonance all do good in walls... Canton have some decent on walls, stick out 2" or less and Boston/sonance have dedicated HC in walls including centres
     
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    Grab the JBL SP6 or SP8's. You can listen to them at Best Buy and get them on ebay for a lot less.

    Jim
     
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    I'm prepared to spend abit more now...

    Have been thinking of putting Artcoustic Diablo speakers IN a recess in the wall...

    or continue looking at actual in wall speakers...
    AV-Sales say Speakercraft are the best ... (but couldn't give me prices or tell me which models)

    Or Sonance like I mentioned earlier... or Triad??

    I've read elsewhere on here that the B&W speakers are way too deeeeeeeep...

    I would like speakers that have their own enclosure too, so that the sound does not bleed through and around the house.

    Any other comments on all of the above, or advice would be welcome.
     
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    Best Buy is a US chain of stores.

    You can put some ceiling speakers in the wall. I have done lots of home cinema's for clients and used in walls. Around your budget I'd look at Linn Sekrits (top of budget) or Heybrook IW81's (if they still do them). The Linn's you can get back boxes for. Most in walls are designed for mounting in plasterboard. The method used to attach the speaker to the board seems to have a pretty big effect on sound quality in my opinion. The Linn's are excellent in this regard although it makes them more time consuming to install.

    Gordon
     
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    Thanks for that Gordon...
    these speakers are now required just for the plasma's daily normal viewing.

    For the surround system, I am getting the Artcoustic Multi at the front, and the Diablo Monitors at the rear.
     
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    Dunno if it helps much but HyperFi are still listing those Kef in-walls for £39.95/pr. Doesn't mean to say that they have any though.

    Mike.
     
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    Linn Sekrit info:
    http://linfo.linn.co.uk/binaries/A8ECBA03-B654-4EDE-B137A2D60CE71F41/sekrit_inwall_info_rev2.PDF

    Heybrook info:
    http://www.heybrookspeakers.co.uk/docs/products/products_custom.htm

    I don't really want to spend more than c.£200 ...and want the smallest speakers poss that will be flat against the wall when installed (and painted over)


    A VERY good find Flimber! However, not sure if they are any good now?
    Spec:
    http://www.hifisuppliers.co.uk/website/custom-speakers/kef-ci130-f.htm

    There is No magnetic shielding ... what does this mean in reality??
    could it cause interference?

    Also they don't seem to have a tweeter, so could sound rather flat.

    I'm liking these Sonance 622T.... but they are £330 pair.
    http://www.hifisuppliers.co.uk/website/custom-speakers/sonance-622t.htm
     
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    i got some old satallites from a surround telly and put them in one of my walls as surround speakers.Its a stud wall and i put them in without any alteration to the case.I removed the covers and left them flush mounted about 5 ft from ground.I was so stunned when i played a dvd.I only done it for a giggle and basically i nailed them in :) I am now gonna buy four proper wall surround speakers for the rear of me vsx-D814 and fit asap.I got a feeling that i wouldnt get as good a result if i put them in a brick wall,but its just a feeling.Thing is....no more stands/shelves/cable agonies..HURRAH :clap:
     
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    :) i doubt that they will have it to ;)
     
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    I think these will do the trick nicely!!

    Sonance Merlot 422M:
    http://www.hifibitz.co.uk/product.asp?id=3436

    The smallest in-wall speakers I have seen.
    The Pioneer 435XDE's Audio Output Power runs at 13watt + 13 watt (1 kHz, 10%, 8ohm) ...whatever that means?

    Just wandering if you can paint the grill though...
     
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    Back to the drawing board for me...

    I no longer want in-wall speakers ... want IN-CEILING speakers instead now!

    For the front I am getting Artcoustic DF-Multi, and now thinking of getting 2 or 3 rears and putting them up in the ceiling (and spot/downlighters too!)

    I've just looked at the tech spec on Monitor Audio ... they are huge!!
    11" ...!!

    Why is the Sonance Symphony range considered better than most ... or am I not right in my understanding?

    Sonance Range:
    http://www.sonance.com/subs/product...akers&thread_two_cat_id=&thread_two_cat_name=
     
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    Sorted!!
    Spoke to Sonance in the UK ...

    Veda-UK
    Units 7 & 8, Stortford Hall Industrial Park, Dunmow Road,
    Bishop's Stortford, Herts, CM23 5GZ, England
    Tel: 01279 501111 • E-mail: [email protected]

    A very helpful ol' gent pointed me in the direction of the Symphony RS1:
    Ths SRS1's two angled 1" tweeters create a diffuse soundfield that is designed for ceiling-mounted home theater surround channel applications. A 6-1/2" polypropylene cone woofer delivers solid bass, the RotoLockÆ mounting system makes installation quick and easy and a perforated aluminum grille allows the speaker to blend into the decor.

    RRP: £515 ... will have a look around for a pair at a better price.

    Edit:
    Found for £380 here.... with more info;
    http://www.hiddenspeakers.com/product/90
    :smashin:
    Can we go lower?
     
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    Xstyle (MAW sells Sonance stuff worth dropping him a PM) sonance Elipse are excellent in ceiling cinema speajkers but a tad more than the RS1 a surround pair are £800 and an LCR is £800ea.
     
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    do you know who you spoke to at VEDA?
     
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    I run 7 x M&K SW150's in my cinema room - these are in-walls but mine are actually all "in-ceiling". Mine is a dual purpose room so it's perfect as there are no speakers or wires on show.
     
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    Elderly chap in Sales dept... didn't get his name... but excellent service!!

    RS1 are £360 here... (+delivery? dunno)
    http://www.321av.com/#SONANCE
     
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    thats cheap.... perhaps too cheap????Not exactly a detailed site......... only a phone number.. no addy..... no online purchase method
     
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    Yeah ... best sticking with HiFi Bitz ...or MAW.
    At least they can be trusted.

    Cheers mate.
     
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    Just to jump in here, I had the Kef custom install speakers in my system and they were very good, went from a 3802 to a denon a1 to a lexicon dc1 and parasound 855, then added a parasound 2205 amp and then a Meridian 568.2 processor, they handled every upgrade wonderfully.

    I used ci160's for the centre back channels, the 130ds dipoles for sides, for the front three I used ci200's these are available as celing (round) or wall (square) and are very good.

    Other wall speakers I have heard and was very impressed with was the Canton's, not sure what ones they were but they were under £200 a pair apparently.
     
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    I decided to get Sonance RS1's from FutureHome @ £379.00
    http://www.futurehome.co.uk/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=446

    Sonance RS1
    Tweeter: 2 x 2" (51mm) Black polypropylene cones
    Woofer: 6-1/2"(165mm) glass composite cone with rubber surround
    Frequency Response: 55Hz to 20kHz +/- 3dB
    Impedance: 8 ohms nominal, 7 ohms minimum
    Power Handling: 5 to 125 watts
    Sensitivity: 90 dB 1W/1m
    Dimensions: 9-3/4" x 5-3/8" (248mm x 135mm)
    Cutout: 8 5/32" (207mm)


    The Sonace Elipse surrounds are only £589
    http://www.futurehome.co.uk/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=467

    Sonance Elipse
    Tweeter: Two 1/2" (13mm) Cloth domes
    Midrange: Two 3" (76mm) black woven glass fiber cones with rubber surrounds
    Woofer: 6-1/2" (165mm) Black woven glass fiber cone with a rubber surround
    Frequency Response: 50Hz - 20kHz + 3dB
    Impedance: 8 ohms nominal – 6 ohms minimum
    Power Handling: 5 - 125 Watts
    SPL: 90 dB
    Grilles: Aluminum
    Dimensions (WxHxD): 10-1/2" (267mm) x 15-3/8" (391mm) x 5-7/8" (149mm)
    Cutout Dims (WxH): 9" (171mm) x 13-7/8" (353mm) elliptical


    Look at my sig link to my Home Cinema in progress, BUT REPLY HERE regarding the speakers please.
    Is it worth extra £210 and much larger cut-out in ceiling, for only real difference is mid-range. The RS1 has larger tweeters to compensate.


    Bear in mind the front speakers I have are Artcoustic DF Multi, LRC in one, and don't want rears disproportionate in sound...
    http://www.futurehome.co.uk/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=221

    Artcoustic DF Multi:
    Operating Range: Without port 70 Hz; with port 65 Hz to 18 KHz
    Beamwidth HF: 60 degree conical
    FR: L & R Max SPL 105 dB avg 6 ohm continuous power handling 110 W
    FR: Centre Max SPL 110 dB avg 8 ohm continuous power handling 220 W
    LF: L & R Max SPL 105 dB avg 6 ohm continuous power handling 110 W
    LF: Centre Max SPL 108 dB avg 8 ohm continuous power handling 220 W
    HF: L & R Max SPL Switch setting (0) 106 dB, setting (1) 114 dB avg 8 ohm
    HF: Centre Max SPL Switch setting (0) 108 dB, setting (1) 114 dB avg 8 ohm
    continuous power handling 100 W
    Centre channel, all
    units in parallel: Max SPL 110 dB avg 4 ohm continuous power handling 110 W
    Connections: Gold plated screw terminals, single / bi and tri amp, LCR
    Dimensions: 1030 H x 150 W x 74 D mm

    Opinions?
     
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    Hope you don't mind me jumping into this thread...

    I'm looking at getting in-wall/in-ceiling speakers for my new house (due to be done sometime in the next few months...). I'm planning Linn Sekrits for my main system rears, but I want something a little cheaper for the other rooms. These will be driven by local amplifiers (Linn Knekt RoomAmps) and whilst Linn do a cheaper speaker (the Diskreet) it doesn't seem to be well regarded.

    I'd like to consider other options in the £100-£200/pr price range. My local dealers only seem to have 1 (at most) set of in-ceiling speakers, which means that I really can't compare. Ideally I'd like to be able to switch between 3 or 4 different pairs, to really get a feel for what the different makes and models sound like.

    Is there anywhere that I can get a decent demo of some of the options? Around Cambridge or Central London would be good, but I'll travel one weekend if I can book a good demo.

    Cheers.
     

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