Answered I'm lost: Sony X900F Vs X930E Please help

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    1. Erez

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      I just can't make a decision, after a month (!) of reading and researching I admit I'm lost.
      Even Rtings.com can't help me decide between the two TV's.

      X900F (65") is newer and will probably get Oreo. it is a FALD but equal almost in anyway to the X930E EXCEPT (!!) for brightness and contrast which is great on the X900F but even better on the X930E. and here is my main question:

      What is the importance of brightness (and contrast) in HDR content, If i'm using my TV almost always in low light conditions and NOT in a bright room? does it still matter that much? I'll probably lower the brightness on both of them anyway... won't I?

      Does anyone have any actual experience? on Rtings.com they are both 8.3.
      Help will be much appreciated.
       
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      Post #14 by Dodgexander, Apr 3, 2018 (1 points)
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      It depends how important the best HDR experience is to you? For HDR, brighter is better.
      The XE93 also has significantly better build quality than the XF90 and its esthetics are nicer too, with superior cable management and a “clean” back like the ZD9 (not important if wall mounted).
       
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      I Guess HDR is very important, Sure. My question is: does strong(er) brightness matter if my room is relatively dark with low light? wouldn't I lower the brightness anyway? Am i getting this wrong?
       
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      I've owned the XF90 for a week and am very happy with it, HDR performance is excellent, it's a very close call between these two really.

      XE93 is brighter but the XF90 has better uniformity and the new X-Motion Clarity system sealed the deal.
       
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      Thanks for that Bastille!
      Isn't X-Motion the effect that gives that soap opera feel? Or am I confusing it for something else?
       
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      No. X-Motion Clarity is a new motion system from Sony that's only available on the XF90, great for games, sports or any fast-paced content.

      Here's a full explanation from Steve Withers (editor on here):

      However one new feature that will be included out-of-the-box is X-Motion Clarity and this is very interesting. Sony TVs have used black frame insertion (BFI) for a while now and the feature can deliver improved motion handling without resulting to the dreaded 'soap opera effect'. However one side effect of BFI is that the image dims because black frames are literally being inserted between the normal frames that make up the image.

      The X-Motion Clarity feature analyses the images and uses the local dimming backlight to boost the brighter areas of the image. We saw a demonstration of X-Motion Clarity in action and the results were very impressive, with excellent motion handling and improved dynamic range thanks to the darker dark areas and brighter bright areas.
       
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      The XE93 has excellent uniformity, easily on par with the XF. Don’t forget, it isn’t like any other edge lit LED’s that’s gone before it, it has dual rows of LED’s on the top AND bottom of the screen and it’s local dimming performance is much closer to FALD than other edge lit LED’s (it actually has more local dimming zones than the XE/XF90).

      I think X-Motion clarity is Sony’s way of compensating for the XF’s lower brightness. Arguably, the ZD9 and XE93 don’t need it because they have more than enough brightness in reserve to compansate for the reduction in brightness when BFI is enabled.

      Having said all that, I’m not sure any of this is relavent because over on the XE93 threads people are saying it’s getting very hard to find one, leaving the XF as the only option (unless you want to spend a lot more on the ZD9).
      If you do end up with an XF you can take comfort that it’s performance is almost as good as the XE and at £1K less (launch price), any minor shortfalls can easily be forgiven.
       
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      That is awesome! Thanks a lot for that!
      In Israel it is still available with most retailers and cheaper in about 320$ than the XF90 since XF90 just arrived here :)
      I'm still very confused :/ so in your opinion I should go with the XE93 100%?
       
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      If you can secure one AND pay less for it, then IMO, it’s a no-brainer.

      I recommend you visit the Sony forums on this website and read through the XE93 owners threads. You’ll see it has very few issues and the overwhelming majority of owners are very happy with it, including many who have previously owned (and returned) OLED’s.

      Good luck with your purchase.
       
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      Xmotion clarity is just a boost to using BFI, it brightens part of the image usually darkened by the inserted black frames.

      BFI (Black Frame Insertion/Dark Frame Insertion) flickers the backlight behind the TV very fast and clears up motion blur and judder without introducing soap opera effect.

      See: CES 2018 News: Sony demos AF8 and XF90 with X-Motion Clarity

      If you want the XF, why not just wait until it isn't overpriced? Buying a 2018 model now is going to cost you quite a premium compared to even Black Friday, even more compared to buying the XF this time next year.

      Edit* just seen you are in Israel and whilst pricing will fall over time on models there too, I am unaware if Black Friday is a thing there so it may be the case that prices drop more steadily over the year. What I said still stands though with new models costing between 30-40% more than the same model last year on release.
       
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      Thanks for that!
      Black Friday is a thing here because... Internet! but mostly products you can easily (and cheaply) import. TV's rarely included. Didn't say I WANT to buy the XF90, was just trying to decide between the models.
       
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      Wow! It was just published... Will give it a watch later. Thanx! :)
       
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      That's why I said if you want it. If you think you will use BFI then its a good reason to wait for X-motion clarity. LCDs afterall are not good at handling motion natively and you really want to avoid any kind of soap opera effect using interpolation.

      My advice is simply to wait if that's the case, don't pay over the odds now when the TV is still very overpriced.

      There are things the older model is better at, as already mentioned above. Particularly being brighter for HDR and overall that makes it just as good (as reflected by reviews) so if its cheaper and you need to buy now then it makes sense to get that model.

      To be honest, this is the kind of question that we will often see in the next few months. 99% of the time the older model is the better option if only because the prices of the newer models are so inflated upon new release.
       
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      Thank you for that. It really helps.
      Cheers!
      I'll make an update on my decision.
       
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      But the review above brings up a nice differentiator
      If you care for motion or gaming, xf90 would be the better choice.
      But availability and prices will change a lot in the next months so everybody plays his own lottery there :)
       
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      Oh man! since this thread started my "struggle" is now between XE93 VS B7\C7 OLED... I want the LG OLED blacks and colors but afraid of it's HD up-scaling and motion. question is what are the differences in those departments between those two? :) Why is it so hard buying a TV these days? few years ago i just went to a store and bought a TV
       
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      I wouldn't worry about upscaling personally, very little difference in my opinion between all the TVs.

      Motion won't be any better on the Sony's out of the box, the only thing that separates the models is the software you use to interpolate or insert dark frames if you use it, some people prefer Sony's motionflow and swear by it but a lot of people just use their LG OLEDs without any motionflow at all and think its fine with motion.

      Could you demo the TVs at all? You'd have more luck in a store like richer sounds or a specialist AV store compared to the big stores like Curry's and John lewis.
       
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      Thanks for the relaxer Dodgexander :) I purchased the LG C7 before i read your last massage... now i'm more at ease. I did go to a big store but the OLED there only showed a demo of 4K HDR video which do not represent daily use of 720p/1080p content.
      Finally decided, with a word from a friend, to go for the newer technology and not put my money on a technology which is 20 y\o no matter how perfected it is.
      Will definitely report back with my (unbiased ;-) impressions.
       
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      I've had the 930E for about a year. We watch in a bedroom, windows darkened, usually with dim room lighting. I don't crank up the brightness on regular viewing, but the TV automatically readjusts it's settings for HDR, boosting the brightness. HDR from Amazon and Netflix looks amazing! Sometimes, we're shocked by how bright the image is, especially if the screen is all or mostly white. It's always beautiful! And the dark, indoor scenes benefit from the extra punch. I think it was a perfect choice for our dark room. Can't comment on the 900F.
       

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