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IFA 2017: Why HDR10 Plus? Panasonic explain all

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    1. Steve Withers

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      For whatever Panasonic say and any good reasons for not handing your TV over to Dolby, his line about if there is a certain technology they have to implement they will do. Well DV is on of those things.

      Will wether its a good thing or a bad thing as far as your business model says, DV has now stamped its foot on the movie market and like it or not as the guys have said on the podcast many times. It might be a box ticker, but thats how people buy their stuff, so trying to convince someone HDR10+ is more or less the same thing but only one studio is supporting it and the only other TV manufacturer is loosing steam, it's a strange choice.

      Saying that, when we get to 2000+nit TV's being the norm, is DV or HDR10+ going to matter as much? Dunno until we get a a couple of years down the line me thinks, I cannot see HDR10+ gaining much traction.

      Assuming you have to pay Dolby for each model and supply them with a number of TV's for testing, HDR10+ does make sense for cheaper TV's where there is even less margins for Samsung and Panasonic.

      All I can say is my next HDR TV will definitely be OLED by choice and probably a DV set with no choice
       
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      2000 nit LCD TVs will look awful, just like Samsung Q9F does with its horrible edgelit dimming, looks a right mess, even the DX902 with proper FALD isn't a match for an OLED.

      If OLED can reach 1000 once calibrated then that's perfect.
       
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      My DX750 isn't getting this update which is a shame.
       
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      I assume this is coming to the 58DX902 as its a current 2017 tv....
       
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      No mate it's not, Panasonic have confirmed the dx902 will be unable to be upgraded, sadly.
       
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      That is total ass hattery by them in my honest opinion. There is likely very little reason for this other than sales
       
    8. Steve Withers

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      The DX902 isn't a 2017 TV, it was released in 2016 but Panasonic have continued to sell it in 2017. So it might well have a completely different SoC to the actual 2017 models.
       
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      True yes. Like I said, my next TV will be OLED without question.

      But the point was the better....brighter the TV can get the requirement for DV is potentially lessened since you can take the data from the editing room and the TV is more capable of replicating it.
       
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      Oh I know its a 2016 tv sorry if i wasnt clear. I simple don't get the need for this new hardware for HDR10+ it all seems like a marketing ploy to buy new hardware. Dynamic metadata isn't gonna add a significant bandwidth overhead or processing requirement.
       
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      Well I was looking forward to upgrading soon and jumping to the OLED's. However with all this I think I will just give it a year or 2 and see which format becomes the most common or if a tv goes all out and provides both?
       
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      Balls! Looks like i'll be taking my new DX902B back and swapping it for an LG OLED instead then. Silly move by Panasonic that as Samsung are adding HDR10+ to their 2016's KS series via a firmware update and the KS series is quite a bit cheaper than the DX902B. And it is Panasonic and Samsung who have teamed up to push HDR10+.

      Apparently you don't need new hardware or chips or anything for HDR10+ it can be added in via firmware.
       
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      Think I disagree with the DX902 comment as my DX902 is just as good as my LG E6 !!
       
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      the dx902 is still waiting for the alledged HLG update in fact the DX has received very little in terms of updates since it has been released which is a poor show really from Panasonic in terms of support...
       
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      They fooled me once, but never again:mad:

      Panasonic usually forgets their products half year after launch and their customer service is terrible.

      HDR10+ is interesting, but is basically a patch on HDR10. If they added HDR10+ as a free update to all hdr10 TVs this would be amazing news, but basically they want us to buy new TVs.

      Also DV is still superior, at least on paper.
       
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      Really disappointing to hear that older TV support for yet another firmware upgradable standard isn’t really happening.

      I spent a crazy amount of money on my first ever home cinema build this time last year with an LG B6 and Q acoustic speaker setup. At this point it’s best to just stick with the TV you have, get equipment that supports whatever standards your TV does and be done with it. That’s what I’m gonna do, and it’s hardly surprising 4K hasn’t really become all that mainstream yet with this mess of standards. At this rate nobody will buy TV’s due to waiting for one that’s future proof. Anti consumer behaviour for sure
       
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      The DX902 already has the HLG update. Its had it for a while. To test it go to the BBC IPlayer and the click settings, then click trial 4K thingy. It will play a 4K HDR HLG video clip.
       
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      Totally agree, I was first for 4K and what a mistake. I brought a CX700 and while nearly all TV manufacturers updated there TVS with a HDR firmware, Panny did not, only CX802. I was pi**ed.

      Great TV, but I will not buy a panny again because of that. My next TV will be a OLED for sure, but I am in no rush.
       
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      So glad I bought an LG OLED as I did consider the Panny's after owning a few of their Plasma's in the past. Got my OLED has got Dolby Vision and to me, is future proof for the next few years. I've recently upgraded to 5.1.2 atmos with a new amp and some in-ceiling speaker as well as a PS4 Pro. Never spent so much on my home cinema, so had to be sure that what I was buying was future proof for next 5 years. I'm set now for a few years, except an upgrade to my main 5.1 speakers in the next year or so and obviously, a PS5 when it comes out!
       
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      It will play the clip, but not in HDR. The HLG update hasn't happened yet.
       
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      No it hasn't, the Planet Earth 'HLG' clip was a debacle in all honesty, god knows what they were all thinking when they decided to put a clip up actually calling it HLG when it was just SDR!
       
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      I'll be amazed if that update happens for the ks range !!!
       
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      CX 4K PRO - Updated to HDR
      DX 4K PRO - Updated to HLG
      EX 4K PRO - Updated to HDR 10+
      (FX 4K PRO - Probably update for HFR)

      Sorry too late but the trend is clear just buy a 4K PRO which has the HCX processors
       
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      The DX still hasn't seen the HLG update, and it would be nice if Panasonic would give us a vp9 update so we can view HDR YouTube.
       
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      Both are meant to be coming later this year according to Panasonic when I spoke to them in July.
       
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      I think the days of being "future proof" for 5 years are long gone ...
       
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      Yes seeing as not many have HDR10+ we can use HDR and same is true of DV, but in the case of HLG we get nothing. So HDR10+ would be better than HLG imho
       
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      Ooooer! So the BBC demo just says it is HLG when it isn't? =O
      When i first see the demo it automatically popped up on my TV basically saying i have a good tv and they would like me to watch the clip and give feedback.

      Hopefully Panasonic sort this out and give us the updates. If they don't add them in hope we will all go out and upgrade to yet another Panasonic TV i think they are very much mistaken. I'll simply turn my back on them and buy LG. Good support goes a very long way. I get fantastic support from Hughes Electrical and as a result my entire family have been loyal to Hughes for over 35yrs. Panasonic could learn from them.
       
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      the worst issue with new codecs and tech, is that all elements in the common AV chain - ie - TV/AMP/Bluray player all have to send or pass through the new codec for it to work properly. and it can change in a 12 month period, ... making your current equipment redundant, which is increasingly frustrating for the consumer. plus the lack of support from some manufacturers and the old (we cant implement it on last years equipment) which is the line they spin us.

      another point i am quite cynical of the Panasonic's response to whether or not they will implement Dolby Vision going forward, they clearly have no intention of implementing dolby vision, or it would have been on the 2017 sets..they were clearly waiting to implement the hdr 10+ free from licensing payments!..come on who do you think you are kidding Panasonic! :p
       
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      Ive just moved to Oled and sold on my DX902 in favour of a LG C7 as I felt that Panasonic supports was poor and seemed to be waiting for the HLG update. Now the HDR10+ isn't going to happen. Pleased I made the switch after reading this thread. It's worth looking at what LG are up to in the near future.
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