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IFA 2013: Panasonic's first Ultra HD TV breaks the cover of HDMI 2.0

Discussion in 'News' started by Mark Hodgkinson, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. Mark Hodgkinson

    Mark Hodgkinson Reviewer & News Writer

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    Let's get 4K really under way

    Our eagle-eyed reader, vism, has spotted a nice little Easter Egg, hidden away in Google's cache, ahead of the fun out in Berlin at IFA 2013 - and it's a double yoker.

    It would seem that not only are Panasonic about to get in on the Ultra HD act, with their new WT600 LED TV, but that the display will mark the advent of HDMI 2.0.

    That Panasonic will have a 4K TV ready to go to market is no great surprise. They will be the last of the really big boys to hop aboard and we were not only expecting them to have 4K LED but their UHD OLED too.

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    What's more significant is that it looks as though HDMI 2.0 is finally here, which should truly make the next-gen TV format a workable reality.

    For the uninitiated, HDMI in its current 1.4 revision is only capable of displaying a maximum of 30 frames per second at a 3840×2160 resolution. That should be fine, for most, to enjoy movies but it's going to be sorely lacking for the likes of fast paced sports, where standards bodies are looking for anything up to 120 frames per second to maintain clarity with the extra pixels.

    Panasonic's press event begins at 3pm tomorrow, out in Berlin, so it will be interesting to see how - assuming they are going to - play the announcement of HDMI 2.0.

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    Interestingly, on Friday, the HDMI Licensing Group has an event on its own, entitled 'Next Steps in HD Connectivity' so its possible the WT600 reveal might steal some of their thunder. Panasonic did hold back their 4K OLED TV at CES 2013, until later in the show, so it's just possible they could let the HDMI event be the WT600's launchpad but that's probably unlikely, given its relatively low-key standing.

    Not surprisingly, the WT600 looks a lot like the 1080p WT60/WT65 but naturally boasts an enhanced 4K feature set including a 4K Media Player, the 4K Fine Remaster Engine, a 4K Web Browser and 4K Online Playback. Notice the emphasis on 4K over Ultra High Definition in the marketing, as an aside.

    By the looks of the Panasonic.com webpage, the first revision of HDMI 2.0 will be pegged at 60 frames per second, maximum, but that could be increased with later versions. The WT600 is also listed as supporting 50p which is likely what our broadcast UHD standard will end up being transmitted at.

    Interestingly the WT600 will feature Display Port 1.2 compatibility, as well, something we know many of our readers have been crying out for, for years. Display Port is used in MacBooks and Mac Pros, PCs and professional 4K cameras and enables 4K 60p signals to be sent through a single cable and exceeds the demands of even professional content editing, at present.

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    The uncovered WT600 is of a 65-inch screen size and is one of the first to boast THX 4K certification too. The full quoted model number is the TC-L65WT600, which is likely to translate to TX-L65WT600, in Europe, and perhaps TX-L65WT600B in the UK.

    There's no pricing, as yet, and the webpage has since been taken down but we think we all know what will now be one of the major stories of IFA 2013.
     
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  2. vism

    vism Well-known Member

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    I wonder if Panny will be talking about just p60 so that the HDMI guys can do the launch of p120, rec2020 and 4:4:4 chroma. Time will tell.
     
  3. MAX1210

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    :)
     
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    That nice to see Panasonic jump in UHD TV :)
     
  5. mikelj

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    So, what are people's thoughts on this?

    Personally, I think it's one thing to have HDMI 2 that may support rec2020 and 4:4:4, but the data rate required would be enormous. I wonder if it would be like Deep Colour all over again?
     
  6. vism

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    That's fine if the link can handle it. So far we have heard that HDMI v2.0 will be 18 Gb/s but I think It'll need to be more unless they decide to use compression.

    I'm not worried about support for 8k as It's some time away (if ever) but 4k must be fully supported so that we can take advantage of all the things in the UHD standard.

    EDIT: Not sure what you mean with deep colour, are you saying it hasn't been picked up?
    The problem there was that the DVB and Blu-ray standards didn't support it, It'll be different with UHD.
     
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  7. Gadget Lover

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    With HEVC (H.265) just launching pre-alpha testing software, I hope this set will be firmware upgradable to take advantage of this new codec when it becomes mainstream over the next 12 months or so.

    Also, does anybody know what panel this is going to be using? And if it will be offering full HD passive 3D like all the other 65" 4K panels being sold at the moment?

    I guess we'll find out at 3pm today :)
     
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    great news for a future telly for me...but still lots of question marks about future upgrades, performance and compatibility issues. as always i will wait for a good while whilst they sort all that out. read a worrying review of a oled recently. with concerning ir and brightness pops issues. think they need 3 or 4 generations to sort all this out, just intime for 8k lol.
     
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    I'm impressed that Andy has the wit & time for such searching.
     
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    I wasn't thinking about link speed, more about the storage capacity required, especially if we're to improve on 8 bit colour.

    Yeh sorry, my point was that Deep Colour hasn't been picked up, but I didn't realise that it was down to Blu-ray standards not supporting it.
     
  12. RAngelo1974

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    This really puts me in a great but crappy situation.... So close to pulling the trigger on a ZT 65in.....But I would like to jump on the 4k wagon.
     
  13. paulmcp2403

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    I suspect 4K will literally take a decade to catch on ....look at Blu ray and 1080p....For goodness sake Sky boxes are only 720p and BBC HD is only 1080 interlaced ...I want this to work, but I suspect it will ultimately end up being a niche market.
     
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    Stick a Sky HD box into automatic output resolution and you'll find that too is 1080i / 50Hz on HD channels.

    But yeah, I don't think 4K-UHD will catch on as quickly as Blu-ray / 1080i etc either
     
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    Yep but it is still only upscaled 720... and stick a 1080i signal through a 4k upscaling amp and you will get kid on 4k...its all relative....:thumbsup:

    4k will take years to catch on and I fear it will face a backlash worse than 3d...:thumbsdow
     
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    or 1080p25 :)
     
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    I am excited Panasonic have joined the 4K camp but there is a but, why is it that they have chosen LED not OLED? They are stopping Plasma manufacture in the near future to concentrate on OLED, being a Plasma fan this is a backwards step.
     
  18. MAX1210

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    The OLED they've prototyped is a 56" model (same as Sony - LG & Samsung are 55"), this LED is 65"

    They can get this LED out "now" (and attempt to catch up in terms of sales with the others) whereas OLED may be another year or 2, and will probably be more expensive.
     
  19. LeeSoFL

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    Today's Sony IFA Press Conference should be interesting to watch, since they'll hopefully announce whether they will support 4K buyers with their very recent television purchases of XBR 4K models.
     
  20. MAX1210

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    8mins to Panasonic starts their show at IFA
     
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    This is the info for it if that helps you Sony's X9 TVs launched with HDMI 1.4 that supports 4K resolution in up to 30 Hz. Sony says that X9 will soon support 4K in up to 60 Hz with the update to HDMI 2.0. The firmware update is naturally free
     
  22. LeeSoFL

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    Thank you.

    That is good news and nice to hear from Sony folk.

    I am gonna' have a shot of chocolate milk to celebrate!
     
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    Welcome to the biggest AV forum on this side of the pond, Lee.
     
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    Hiya Geoff, and thanks for the welcome.
     
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    LCD? I prefer paper TV than this!
     
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    I am very interested in hearing more about Panasonic's first 4K TV and am a little peed off at how all the manufacturers are releasing them at once and never imagined it would be this quick considering I have just bought a ZT Plasma which has been considered the best 1080p TV that will be? Pricing for the 65" LED TV in UK I have read will be £5500, do not think it will be that for long considering how much Sony and Samsung have slashed theirs by to the disgust of some who bought at full price. Be more interested in the 58" that has been mentioned as 65" is too big for me.
     
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    I am hoping Value Electronics or CNET does a review soon so I can figure out ZT or WT600
     
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    Erm ... plasma ... LED, I'd take the ZT over a 4K LCD LED any day.
     
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    Happens all the time though doesn't it - you buy at the cutting edge but your purchase quickly diminishes in value. I bought the ipad 3 and 6 months later ipad 4 comes out. Phones, TV's, av amplifiers etc - all prone to the same quick price drop. The cheapest approach is to buy your tech goodies a year after launch and that way you get pretty current tech at best bang for buck - downside is that you'll never have the latest tech.
     
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    "RRP" to be £5,499 and stock should be arriving in the country week commencing 23rd September - then delivered out to dealers. Dealers will be able to demonstrate 4K-UHD via a supplied media box a la Sony 4K dealers.

    EDIT - Model confirmed as TX-L65WT600B (not 650 as originally thought)
     
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