If you claim JSA watch out

[GAZBEROTTEN]

Just found out that if your on JSA for more than one year you get sent out to the governments new Work program for a maximum of 2 years.

It is compulsory as well you have no option to refuse it.

Heard this from a few good mates who are in this unfortunate situation and it looks like its already come into effect

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/apr/01/ministers-back-to-work-programme

 

[Kebabhead]

No guarantee of a job at the end of it though

 

[GAZBEROTTEN]

No guarantee of a job at the end of it though

Id like to know why our tax payers money is being spent to fund things like that when there's no assurance of employment. Surely people must realise that there money is being wasted.

I could give my idea as to what they should really be doing but it would be going of topic

 

[Anotherlimey]

This is what we are paying for

YouTube - ‪The League of Gentlemen Job Centre Season 1 Part 1‬‏

 

[Trollslayer]

No guarantee of a job at the end of it though

Is that a reason not to try?
I've been unemployed a few times and had to put a lot of effort to get a new job, even moving to another part of the country a couple of times.
Now I'm paying taxes which go towards other people's benefits.

 

[Kebabhead]

Is that a reason not to try?

Didn't say it wasn't but there is that to consider after two years of earning a wage and going back to benefits

 

[Jamezinho]

Id like to know why our tax payers money is being spent to fund things like that when there's no assurance of employment. Surely people must realise that there money is being wasted.

I don't consider money spent on trying to get people back into employment as wasted.

This is long overdue.

 

[Greg Hook]

About time. Presumably this will mean those people that have no wish to work will have their benefits stopped if they fail to attend?

 

[Kebabhead]

About time.

Back to work schemes are nothing new

 

[Ian J]

Just found out that if your on JSA for more than one year you get sent out to the governments new Work program for a maximum of 2 years.

It seems like a good idea to me as anyone who has been unemployed for a year and actively looking for a job is probably ripe for retraining

 

[dazza74]

Id like to know why our tax payers money is being spent to fund things like that when there's no assurance of employment. Surely people must realise that there money is being wasted.

I could give my idea as to what they should really be doing but it would be going of topic

Because in some parts of the country they've statistics to show that people who've been out of work more than a year are more likely to die than they are finding work.

You see this as a waste of money but take a look at the Maths for a second.

I think we spend something like £7BN a year on JSA currently, multiple that by say 45-50 years to cover somebody from school leaving age up to retirement. That's £350BN, does this still look a bad investment to you?

We can argue whether it will work or not until we are blue in face, but we know what won't work, letting people claim benefits until they retire.

It is what it is, we just have to accept that we've a surplus of labour in this country and unless you can find more gainful employment that pays better this is probably the future, welfare to work essentially.

 

[Jamezinho]

Back to work schemes are nothing new

What's the fuss about then?

i.e. why did the OP start a thread about this?

 

[dazza74]

What's the fuss about then?

i.e. why did the OP start a thread about this?

I think Gaz is in his 20's, all new to him. I spent a year on one in the early 90's, £35 a week YTS plus the company gave me an extra £15 a week to cover me bus fare

 

[Kebabhead]

What's the fuss about then?

i.e. why did the OP start a thread about this?

Because of the cost and the fact that they don't really work

 

[Jamezinho]

Because of the cost and the fact that they don't really work

Are you talking about the claimants or the scheme?

 

[dazza74]

Because of the cost and the fact that they don't really work

I'd be more cynical as well but if the companies have to keep these people on for two years to get the reward I'm hopeful they won't be just kicked out after that time has elapsed, it will lead to something permanent. I'd sooner this than the original proposal which was these 12 week posts, those are more open to abuse by employers imo.

 

[GBDG1]

If I'd been out of work for a year I would be willing to do any course going to get a job. I'd be banging the door down to do some training.

 

[GAZBEROTTEN]

Because of the cost and the fact that they don't really work

Tell me about it

Would anyone here really want to spend 2 years doing free labour while the employers get rich at your expense and over your hard work just to keep your benefits which really aren't all that great at the basic state rate?

Feel free to answer this one

 

[sidicks]

Tell me about it

Would anyone here really want to spend 2 years doing free labour while the employers get rich at your expense and over your hard work just to keep your benefits which really aren't all that great at the basic state rate?

Feel free to answer this one

If the government did not have these back to work programs you would be moaning about how the government have abandoned the unemployed and how they don't care...

 

[dazza74]

Would anyone here really want to spend 2 years doing free labour while the employers get rich at your expense and over your hard work just to keep your benefits which really aren't all that great at the basic state rate?

Feel free to answer this one

People on here have done it in the past including myself. You say employers get rich, employer I spent a year with on work placement went into receivership a few month's after my placement ended.

Don't get me wrong it's exploitation to some extent but the employers hold all the cards here. They don't need to take somebody on in a downturn so there has to be some form of bribery involved. Where's your life going sat indefinitely on JSA, absolutely nowhere. Maybe today with the internet and what have you and multi channel TV you can entertain yourself during the day, 20 years ago when you had none of that you were glad to get up of a morning and go somewhere for the day, even if it weren't for any additional pay.

 

[GAZBEROTTEN]

People on here have done it in the past including myself. You say employers get rich, employer I spent a year with on work placement went into receivership a few month's after my placement ended.

Don't get me wrong it's exploitation to some extent but the employers hold all the cards here. They don't need to take somebody on in a downturn so there has to be some form of bribery involved. Where's your life going sat indefinitely on JSA, absolutely nowhere. Maybe today with the internet and what have you and multi channel TV you can entertain yourself during the day, 20 years ago when you had none of that you were glad to get up of a morning and go somewhere for the day, even if it weren't for any additional pay.

Thats True but not everyone sits around all day

this whole system is a mess isnt it

 

[sidicks]

Thats True but not everyone sits around all day(

What do they do if they aren't working or looking for work?
??
Sidicks

 

[GAZBEROTTEN]

What do they do if they aren't working or looking for work?
??
Sidicks

Looking after the kids
Elderly Relatives
Socialise
Contribute

Come on sidlicks you shoud know better than to argue with that


GAZBEROTTEN

 

[sidicks]

Looking after the kids
Elderly Relatives
Socialise
Contribute

Come on sidlicks you shoud know better than to argue with that


GAZBEROTTEN

So we should be paying people to socialise or look after kids, should we?

(I thought you could get some benefit for looking after sick relatives)?

Sidicks

 

[internetuser]

It's all experience which will help people get a proper job isn't it ?