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ICE Install - how hard?

Discussion in 'ICE, Sat Navs & Dash Cams Forum' started by cj, Aug 13, 2003.

  1. cj

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    Well I managed to install my Home Cinema, I've built loads of PCs, but never done a car install. Is it particularly tricky? Anyone got any pointers where I might start?

    Thanks

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  2. Mylo

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    Plan what is going where carefully. Once you know you can start putting the cables in. My usual practice is to keep power cables down one side of the car and signal cables down the middle. Keep speaker cables away from power to avoid noise. The positive cable should be fused within 6 inches of the battery terminal. The amps earth should be kept as short as possible and make good contact with bare metal on the car. Any sub boxes being fitted should be held down with industrial velcro or similar. The stock parcel shelf should be binned. Get a decent acoustic shelf made of MDF or make one using the stock shelf as a template. Leave at least one weekend to complete the job as you dont want to drive a car that is in bits. If you need more help just shout. Good luck.
     
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    This is entirely dependant on the vehicle, some are a doddle others are an absolute nightmare.
     
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    mmm.. similar to what lynx said.. some are easy some are time consuming.. when you work in the trade you tend to be able to figure out problems sooner than if your a diy sorta guy. same with everything.. it is quite car dependant . but nothing is impossible so.. give some sort of car/ product descriptions that you have in mind and maybe more usefull replies will come :)
     
  5. cj

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    I have a Mitsubishi L200 Warrior (Double Cab pick-up truck), and I want to install a Pioneer Avic990HVT Sat Nav and DVD player. I'd like two screen in the front seat headrests. I need as big a subwoofer as I can (I've a feeling I need a custom enclosure behind the the front pasenger seat, which is fine as there is a permanent baby seat in there.) I have a pair of Dynaaudio component speakers for the front, and 4 Pioneer 2-way speakers for the rest of the car. I got 3 seperate amps, and a whole box of other bits that have come out of my previous (professional) installs.

    Actually, reading that I think I need further professional help - just thought that I managed OK with my cinema install, but I guess would be starting from scratch with a car.
     
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    Pick ups are out of my league for ICE installs. Over to someone else. Good luck.:)
     
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    the custom sub box might be tricky for someone with no experiance.. the rest is just wires and diagrams :) l200 double cab, is that the 5 seater thing? coz there is quite some room behind the back seats of those. just for a taster i got a 15" sub into a mk2 MR2 and coulda got 2 so.. anything is possible ;)
     
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    Yeah it's 5 seater. I've actuall got the rear flatbed covered as well, so I guess that could be used if I'm short of space. There's usually 4 large dogs in there when I go out, so security probably won't be an issue ;)
     
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    Get it right and the rewards are great. Remember on 12 - 14.4v going though these systems so it's a real feat of engineering what can be achieved in the set up.

    A nice head unit, good front component speakers and nice amp to power the components and a wee sub to beef the bottom end up also powered by the amp would sound lovely.

    A 4 channel amp would drive a sub and front speakers. Your head unit is only producing 12-15 watts RMS (it's true trust me) so an external amp is highly desirable if you have the space.
     
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    one thing to remember when installing ICE - work quick or it will melt!
    on a serious note, you've got to know how to take a car apart and put it back together otherwise it will end up rattling at the end, just like mine does. i would suggest taking it to a decent ice installer, i am going to do this to sort out my errors - although the rattles could be down to the new components which shake the doors like hell!!!
     
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    So far I have installed these various systems into different cars,


    No 1 - Ford Escort Van
    This was an install for my brother in his escort van which compromised of a custom box in the rear with 4 6*9's and a sub, 2 amplifiers and a Sony headunit. It was loud, but that was about it.

    No 2 - Vauxhall CorsaVan
    This was my second install for my first car which consisted of a Kenwood MP3 head unit, Kenwood speakers in the doors, two 6*9's in a custom box and a sub. Only a single Amp this time for the sub mounted on the box cooled by a computer fan. It was very loud and had decent quality, but the soundstage was too far behind you.

    No 3 - Alfa Romeo 156
    All the components from the CorsaVan transplanted into the Alfa 156. (My second car) A bit better this time, more sound from upfront. However, the sub was non existant due to the sound deadning in the car.

    No 4 - Vauxhall Frontera SWB (Latest Gen)
    An install for my father this time, which consists of a Pioneer Navigation unit, CD changer and a in dash DVD player. Using the vehicles original speakers. Excellent piece of kit.

    No 5 - Citroen Van
    All the above transplanted into Citroen van a month after been installed into the Fontera!!! :mad:

    No 6 - Alfa Romeo Spider (First Gen)
    My sixth install was in my first spider. a Pioneer DEH-72MP MP3 player, a Genesis profile 4 amp. Polykevlar 130k Focal Comonents and a Focal 5WS sub. Glorious sound, the Pioneer has a highly rated sound quality and the Genesis sub and Focal speakers are the mutts danglies. Although the 5ws leaves a lot to be desired without a sealed box.

    No 7 - Alfa Romeo Spider (Second Gen)
    My latest install, unfortunately I wrote off my first spider and now my newer second gen spider has all the above except the 5ws. not sure what to do with that... Again, absolutely stunning sounds, even better than my B&W's in the house!

    Why have I listed all of this? So I can rate the difficulty of the install! Starting with the easiest.

    Alfa Romeo 156.
    This was a complete doddle, all the panels down the sides of the car simply unclipped and cable routing and speaker placement was simple.

    Spider Second Gen
    This time I had some experience from the first spider knowing how to take certain panels out etc. Iv'e had the interior of this car stripped nearly everywhere to run cables just right. The quality in the end makes up for it.

    Spider First Gen
    Easy. Panels mostly unclip with a few Phillips screws in visible areas.

    Citroen Van
    Easy, like the 156, all the panels just unclip. A bit more work because of the navigation unit though. Also the added benefit of knowing where everything should go this time round.

    Vauxhall Frontera SWB (Latest Gen)
    Nice and easy except for the panels at the rear (CD-Changer Location) where it was made up with loads of fiddly bits to go around the roll bar. Otherwise quite straightforward. The speed pulse sensor was a doddle to find staring at you from underneath on the Gearbox

    Escor Van
    Easy to work on, but a bit daunting because it was my first install!

    Corsa Van
    What a NIGHTMARE. Sharp panels inside the dashboard, all the side panels screwed down with TORX screws hidden behind flaps and right next to the seat runners every few inches or so. Took a couple of days and lots of cuts to get this one in.


    You see it depends on the vehicle and what your installing. You'd have thought a top end component & amp install into an Alfa Romeo would be a lot harder than a "Boy racer-ish" install into a Corsavan!

    With your double cab you have the luxury of room.. I'm tellin ya, its not pretty trying to lean over a gearstick and everything while your trying to pull wires tight from behind the HU and away from its heatsink. The convertible was a blessing because parked under one of the the warehouses' huge lamps i had plenty of light to work with.
     
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    http://www.talkaudio.co.uk is a good, specific ICE forum. Only thing I would add to Mylo's comments is that the stuff in your boot needs to be bolted or glued down, not with velcro! This is especially important in a hatchback. I wouldn't trust Velcro to hold on to your sub box in a 40MPH impact and you only get one skull...
     
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    just one thing regarding that l200 consider where you are going to put the amp and all the wireing as i have a navara and at the time had two amps which came out off my previous install thought under the seats was going to be ideal to hide units and wireing but the over heating off the units dur to lask of air keeps killing them whats room behind rear seats like i have my subs there but as you only have one why not recut and design box have speaker there and amp in subs origional position

    dazz
     
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    dose any body have any experience with fiber glass installs

    dazz
     
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