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I see G.T.A is causing problems for explicit contenet in the U.S.A

Discussion in 'PC Gaming & Rigs' started by GalacticaActual, Jul 15, 2005.

  1. GalacticaActual

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    Just saw this over at the melon farmers web site, thought the P.C gamers would be interested. :)


    15th July The Grand Theft Auto Easter Egg Witch Hunt
    I originally thought this was a bit of a non-story but it seems to have mushroomed a little.

    From the BBC

    Senator Hillary Clinton has stepped into the controversy over sex scenes in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. She wants the US Federal Trade Commission to find out who put the explicit material in the game.

    The US Entertainment Software Rating Board is already investigating GTA maker Rockstar over the matter. The ESRB wants to work out if the sexual content was in the game all along but hidden or if the mod adds it.

    Rockstar has denied that it included the graphic content in San Andreas and has instead accused hackers of altering the code.

    The controversy about the Hot Coffee mod broke earlier this week with the ESRB's announcement of its investigation. The board wants to find out if Rockstar broke rules that demand it tell industry regulations if such material is included in games.

    The downloadable mod was put together by Dutch GTA fan Patrick Wildenborg and is said to unlock mini-games in the recently-released PC version of San Andreas that lets players make game characters have sex.

    For its part Rockstar said that the Hot Coffee mod only works because hackers took apart, rebuilt and then recompiled the game's underlying computer code. Hackers had gone to significant trouble to alter scenes in the official version of the game, Rockstar said in a statement. Wildenborg said all the scenes unlocked by the mod were in the original game but were simply inaccessible. Rockstar said it was looking into ways to change San Andreas to stop the Hot Coffee mod working.

    As well as seeking to find out who put the content in the game, Senator Clinton wants the FTC to find out if the game has been given the wrong rating by the ESRB. She also wants to find out if game stores are doing enough to stop minors getting hold of the game.

    In a letter to the FTC, Senator Clinton cited a study by the National Institute on Media and the Family that found 50% of boys between seven and 14 years old could buy mature rated games. There is no doubting the fact that the widespread availability of sexually explicit and graphically violent video games makes the challenge of parenting much harder.

    The mature or "M" rated PC version of San Andreas is only supposed to be bought by those aged 17 and over. If the game were to be get the rarely awarded Adults-Only (AO) rating, sales of the game could plummet. The PlayStation 2 version of San Andreas was the best-selling game of 2004 in the US.





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  2. Starburst

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    Pity Rockstar didn't update the game to reflect the power of a modern PC and not mimic the dated ps2, the sex scenes would have been worth looking at then:)

    Still fondly recall playing DOOM with hardcore wall textures!

    Sorry to take a light hearted view of the subject but I am by nature inclined to oppose all these moral crusaders especially politicians who exploit ignorance and genuine parental issues.
     
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    All this is Hillary Clinton desperately trying to beef up her conservative credentials before 2008.

    She feels the name Clinton is enough to retain votes in Democrat states, so she's focusing on appealing to Republican-leaning swing voters by pouncing on every moral issue going.

    The main problem with games like this is that society in general think games = kids toy. Not the case, as GTA clearly shows. The way I understand it is that age ratings in America are advisory only - they're not legally enforcable. Games over here are rated by the BBFC and given a rating that is legally enforcable. GTA:SA is 18 rated here - it's illegal to supply it to people under 18. So its the way the sale and classification of the games are regulated in the US thats to blame. Not the creators.
     
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    Textbook example of how screwed up the US is. You can kill and maim as many prostitutes and homies as you want, but god forbid you allow any scenes of a sexual nature between two consenting adults. Clinton should be ashamed of herself - it's already a mature rated title and needs no amendment; all she's done is ensure a few more copies have got sold. Actually, maybe she's on Rockstar's payroll? ;)
     
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    Kotahu report the game's publishers, Take Two, have now stopped production of San Andreas and will instead issue a new (non hot coffee) version sans the sex scenes.

    Also, Kotaku say many US Stores are pulling the game and the ESRB have issued a recall notice to Rockstar Games:

    So depending on how much this costs Take Two/Rockstar/whatnot the future viability of mods for games such as UT 2004, Battlefield etc may well be in jeopardy. So no more mods like Desert Combat... Everything will be produced on a solely commercial basis instead (if they can force games publishers to tighten their product modifiability). Probably just a storm in a tea (coffee) cup though.

    And we can all blame Bill Clinton's bint, Hillary - funny how that Monica Lewinsky business crops up again and again.
     
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    I reckon she's miffed that the characters involved in the sex scenes look nothing like Bill and Monica even though that's what she intended when she hacked the code. Come on Hilary, be a sport, hack it again or at least make the proper mod available online. Perhaps you could rename it "Hot Cigar" :smoke:
     
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    :rotfl:
     
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    Err its not really a mod (like the Battlefield mods etc.) though is it as the 'Hot coffee' modes are actually in the game already just not available to play as they were locked by Rockstar. All the mod did was allow you to access them.
    They are also on the ps2 and xbox versions(access them with some action replay codes) which proves that they were in the game all the time and werent just created by so called 'hackers' .
     
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    - The mature or "M" rated PC version of San Andreas is only supposed to be bought by those aged 17 and over. -

    a) the Americans are being prudes ... worrying about animated scenes of 2 non photo-realistic avatars depicting sex ..... to a game that is supposedly rated for 17 year olds and over.

    - lets get its rateing changed because of 2 cartoon like characters doing something that remotely immitates sex ..... because kids might see it ..... not becasue you can beat to death civilians , rob people and boost cars ......

    ( The content doesn't bother me in the slightest ... its just ironic that parents and the US Government are up in arms when a rude word or a flash of synthic naked flesh is visiable causeing share prices to drop .... while they take little to no action over being able to 'torch' someone to death in the middle of a city )

    b) Its the parents responisbility to not let the kids play games rated unsuitable for them .... not the game manufacturer.
    Commenting on the fact that younger kids play it is NOT the responsibility of the guys makeing the game. Its crap parents blameing everyone bar themselves and never taking any responsibility........ which is considerable more dangerous to our society and our childrens future developement than the content of a computer game.

    c) as someone metioned - this is pretty much polictally motivated for Clinton et al. to sell themselves as moral guardians.
    The vast majority of the hay seed moralistic muppets that would be impressed by such a move .... would have no clue as to the actual game .... they just see someone stamping down on 'pornography' and think the worlds going to be better if we all believe in Jesus.
     
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    Intriguing. I may have to buy an action replay to see what the fuss is about! ;)
     
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    So, the country which allows South Park to be shown wants to ban a silly bit of computer game. Get real why don't they? If it's ok to promote the North American Marlon Brando Lookalike Association (NAMBLA) even if it gets confused with the North American Man Boy Lovers Association (NAMBLA), why can't kids over 17 see computer porn. Surely it's down to parental responsibility !!!
     
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    When this was announced Take Two's shares went down by 11%, sounds like over-kill to me. After all the game has been out for PS2 for many months now!
     
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    Oh my word! Imagine if he came across the DoA: Beach Volleyball codes! :D
     
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    hang on I am imagineing it now............................mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nice :devil:
     

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