Just seen this at apples web site. $200 for the 1 gig model. It may be smaller than an i-pod mini but it certainly doesnt have the same capacity. (4gb VS 1gb) The mini is now $250 or less so I dont think the shuffle is good value for money. The only good thing about it is its size and the fact that its a solid player ( no mving parts) therefore less likely to jump. Good for joggers and sporty people but no good for those who want to have value for money and their music library on one machine.