i have no idea, ware do i start

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  1. matisamd

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    hi just started looking at projectors and i want it all for nothing, of course, so crt projectors, i am guessing, are going to give the best picture highest resolution etc for a reasonable reachable price, of course the pay off is "this thing you call convergence" :D

    what models should i look at? any good links ?

    thanks

    mat

    its got to be better then i should have at price i could pay twice for :devil:
     
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    Hi Mat,

    This list (courtesy of Clarence over at the other forum) lists some common (in the US!) PJs in subjective order of "quality". You can pick up the ones at the top of the list over here on eBay starting at a few hundred £s, going up to £10K plus at the top end.

    There's an awful lot more to it than that, of course, but it's a starting point. I've only ever owned NECs, but I understand Barcos are recommended as good starter PJs for noobs.

    Welcome to the sport! :thumbsup:

    BTW the columns are Model, approx tube size, lumens, max resolution, bandwidth, electrostatic or electromagnetic focus. If you wonder which type of focus is generally considered the best, check out the ordering in the list!

    Sony VPH-1020/1030/1040.. 5.5"..450-500..480i..10MHz ES Analog
    Sony VPH-1020/1030/1040.. 5.5"..450-500..480i..10MHz ES Analog
    Electrohome ECP2000...... 5.5"..725......540p..30MHz ES
    Sony VPH-1031............ 5.5"..500......540p..30MHz ES Analog
    NEC DP-1200................ 7"..600......540p..30MHz ES
    Ampro 2000............... 5.5"..725 1280x1024..65MHz.ES
    Sony VPH-1251.............. 7"..650 1024x768...40MHz ES
    Sony VPH-1252.............. 7"..700 1280x960...40MHz ES
    Sony VPH-1270.............. 7"..650 1280x1024..40MHz ES
    NEC GP-5000................ 9"..600 1280x1024..40MHz ES
    Electrohome ECP3000/3100..5.5"..725 1280x1024..50MHz ES
    Barco BD 800................7"..850 1024x768...50MHz ES
    Electrohome ECP3500.......5.5"..725 1280x1024..60MHz ES
    Barco BD 801................7"..900 1024x768...75MHz ES
    Barco 708................ 5.5" 1200 1280x1024..75MHz ES
    Electrohome ECP4000/4100..5.5"..725 1280x1024..65MHz ES
    Electrohome ECP4500.......5.5"..725 1280x1024..70MHz ES
    Sony VPH-1271.............. 7"..650 1600x1200..75MHz ES
    Sony VPH-1272...............7"..700 1600x1200..85MHz ES
    Barco BG 800................7"..850 1600x1200..60MHz ES
    Barco BG 801................7"..900 1600x1200..75MHz ES
    Sony D50..................5.5"..800 1280x1024..75MHz ES
    NEC 6PG.................... 7"..800 1280x1024..70MHz EM
    NEC 9PG.................... 7"..800 1600x1200..70MHz EM
    NEC 6PG+....................7"..850 1280x1024..75MHz EM
    NEC 9PG+....................7"..850 1600x1200..75MHz EM
    NEC PG6200 (6PG Xtra).......7" 1000 1280x1024 100MHz EM
    NEC PG9200 (9PG Xtra).......7" 1000 1600x1200 100MHz EM
    Ampro 3400..................8".......................EM
    Barco BD 808................8" 1250 1600x1200..75MHz EM
    Barco BD 808s.............. 8" 1250 1600x1200..75MHz EM
    Barco BG 808................8" 1250 1600x1200..75MHz EM
    Electrohome Marquee 8000....8" 1000 1600x1200 100MHz EM
    Barco BG 808s.............. 8" 1250 1600x1200 120MHz EM
    Barco BG 1208.............. 8" 1250 1600x1200 120MHz EM
    Barco BG 1208s..............7? 1250 1600x1200 120MHz EM
    NEC XG75/85 nonLC...........8" 1100 1600x1200 110MHz EM
    Electrohome Marquee 8500....8" 1200 1600x1200 100MHz EM
    Barco BG 1200...............9" 1230 1600x1200 120MHz EM
    Sony 1292.................. 9"..700 2000x1600 135MHz EM
    Ampro 4600..................9" 1200 2500x2000........EM
    Electrohome Marquee 8500 LC 8" 1200 1600x1200 100MHz EM
    NEC XG110/135 LC........... 8" 1100 2500x2000 120MHz EM
    Sony G70....................8" 1200 1700X1200 120MHz EM
    NEC 10PG....................9" 1000 1600x1200 100MHz EM
    Electrohome Marquee 9000....9" 1200 2500x2000 120MHz EM
    Barco 1209..................9" 1250 2500x2000 120MHz EM
    Barco 1209S................ 9" 1250 2500x2000 120MHz EM
    Marquee 9501LC..............9" 1300 2500x2000 120MHz EM
    Marquee 9501LC Ultra/MP.... 9" 1300 2500x2000 150MHz EM
    Sony G90....................9" 1300 2500x2000 135MHz EM
    Barco Cine9................ 9" 1200 2500x2000 180MHz EM
     
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    oops, I'm mixing up my bandwidth (MHz) and Vertical Refresh (Hz), ignore me :)
     
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    Budget CRTing

    In reply to the original question, most people start off with a second hand unit and either learn how to set them up themselves or get a professional or fellow CRT fan to come and set it up for them.

    I paid 760ukp for Barco 800 Data about 2 years ago with pretty good tubes (slight wear on the green), I'd expect these to be less than 500ukp now.

    The manuals for many of the projectors are available as PDFs on the Web, so even if you buy a unit without the manual you are generally OK. This forum on AVForums is a good place to ask questions as I don't know of any place where there are more CRT fans.

    You'll probably hear some talk of 'scalers', 'line doublers', 'line trippers' etc, basically these are good because the Interlaced PAL signal that you get from your DVD Player/TV Tuner/Video etc doesn't look too good on a CRT projector (being 768x572 (well 768x286 then 768x256, 50 times a second)), a scaler will deinterlace the signal and give you a stable image (called progressive scan). Some projectors (even those at the low end) come with built in Line Doublers, but some projectors (even those on the high end) are without them. Scalers come in many varieties and prices. I use, and will probably get sneared at on this forum ;), a very cheap TV Tuner box designed to let you watch TV or DVD on your computer montor, it cost about 70ukp and provided a very dramatic improvement in picture quality over the non scaled picture. You can also use a computer (often refered to as a HTPC, Home Theatre PC) with a TV Card to do this scaling for you.

    Hopefully this is useful to you, basically if you want to Do It Yourself and learn from scratch and on a fairly small budget (compared to what some people pay on this forum ;) ) I've managed it, and my only previous experience of CRT projectors, was going 'wow' as we were allowed to watch Sci Fi stuff on the projectors after hours at university. :)

    Peter

    Cheap scaler info, I bought something similar to this, scales up to 1024x768 (800x600, 640x480), takes svideo and composite input, and even has an analog TV Tuner in it.
    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=92935
     

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