I hate renting.

phil t

Well-known Member
Its condescending to imply that "Back in my day, and what young'uns need is a kick up the back side". There's certainly an inter generational disconnect on this issue.
And yet each year the company that I work for takes on half to a dozen engineering apprentices, who within 6 years of starting (so mid twenties) can (if they desire and work additional OT) afford to buy property.

This isn't back in the day, this is here and now.
Nor is it specialist, as in plenty of other companies run similar apprenticeship schemes.

Life is all about choices.
We each decide what choices to take and what sacrifices to make.

No one persons choice is right or wrong, but as below.

Life's all about choices, but don't complain when those choices leave you with no option than to rent and work until you drop.

For what it's worth, it is more than possible to do a degree and finish that degree with no debt.
Various will sponsor a degree, but usually that attracts a return of service.
 

mitchec1

Distinguished Member
And yet each year the company that I work for takes on half to a dozen engineering apprentices, who within 6 years of starting (so mid twenties) can (if they desire and work additional OT) afford to buy property.

This isn't back in the day, this is here and now.
Nor is it specialist, as in plenty of other companies run similar apprenticeship schemes.

Life is all about choices.
We each decide what choices to take and what sacrifices to make.

No one persons choice is right or wrong, but as below.



For what it's worth, it is more than possible to do a degree and finish that degree with no debt.
Various will sponsor a degree, but usually that attracts a return of service.

You've posted this before.

Nice for people who can get them but it doesn't happen for a lot of people.

As another ex squaddie while I'm earning a really good wage I'm still not out of touch to see others aren't

Places in East Kent while getting the high rents, lack of housing stock, cash buyers, residents who have low wages and the London bleed due to Hs1 don't see this

Any job with decent wages locally normally have a wasting list just to get the job ( local depot currently 2 year waiting list)

Guess it's different for Surrey, Sussex, London and all the posh areas.

But in certain deprived areas with no proper industry or high paying jobs what you've posted is a pipe dream for many
 
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IronGiant

Moderator
Anecdotal stories and opinions are all well and good
Anecdote:

My son moved out last year and they (he and his girl friend) are paying £1000 a month to rent a flat nearby. I have no idea how they can afford it as they are both working in retail. :(

It's a one bedroom flat...
 

Miss Mandy

Moderator
That's silly money for a one bedroom flat, but unfortunately also quite normal these days. While they're forking out that much on rent each month they're probably unable to save a deposit so buying is not an option for a while, despite the fact that a mortgage might be cheaper.
 

mitchec1

Distinguished Member
That's silly money for a one bedroom flat, but unfortunately also quite normal these days. While they're forking out that much on rent each month they're probably unable to save a deposit so buying is not an option for a while, despite the fact that a mortgage might be cheaper.


It parts of Se London, Nw Kent that would be cheap.

2 years ago when I flogged my house to a London council they were struggling to keep up with house prices and local landlords but you couldn't get a rent under £1000 for a property.

Certain people on here seem quite dismissive of issues the low paid or even the decent paid have. People in the real world are struggling to afford renting or buying.

For me even though the landlords on this forum will disagree in areas of housing shortages, and deprived areas local landlords shouldn't be allowed to own more than two houses and be forced to sell to the rest to the local council.

I'd also like to see people who use a property as holiday home forced to give it up and locals live there

Edit : in the house buying thread they mention an estate called Bransholme.

They keep saying it hasn't got the best reputation.

**** me I grew up there it hasn't got the best reputation because we've aloud it to get that way.

It's playdo world nowadays to what it was in 70's 80's but still the same low pay, unemployment, and crime issues.

Not alot of house buying there because the majority will never afford it.
 
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mh123

Active Member
So where I live you can rent a 1/2 bed furnished flat with beautiful sea and mountain views for around £300-£350 per month, or you can BUY one fully sexed up for under £50k (quite often see those in need of refurb coming to market around £20k) and can commute in around 80 minutes to Glasgow centre by ferry and train for an annual season ticket price of £1,603 (or £133 per month). En route you are passing through loads of other high employment areas too depending on your 'trade' - Greenock, Port Glasgow, Paisley, Glasgow Airport, Braehead. Another 20-30 minutes gets you to Stirling or Edinburgh.

We live in a lovely seaside town with a population of less than 5,000. One decent sized supermarkets and the full range of high street independents - 2 butchers, fishmonger, 2 bakeries, fruit & veg shop and loads more besides. We have a small cinema showing current releases. We have a purpose built theatre and leisure centre. We have a small hospital with A&E and helipad in case it's something serious and the climate/temperatures are very similar to Devon & Cornwall. The local health centre guarantees a same-day GP appointment if you call before mid-day. Crime is almost non-existent, mostly of a petty nature and predominantly in the summer months when we have mainland 'visitors'. Everyone you meet smiles at you and bids you good morning. People genuinely look out for one another and everyone knows everyone else.

Glasgow and Edinburgh are superb substitutes for the West End, but if you really must go to the big smoke you can train there in 4.5 hours or fly in just over an hour using a selection of low cost carriers.

So why on earth people struggle to live in the South East is completely beyond me! London is NOT the be-all and end-all. Broaden your horizons people!!
 

Trollslayer

Distinguished Member
I moved to Dorset three years ago with work and live about six miles north of Poole - I'm not moving again!
 

deantown

Distinguished Member
So where I live you can rent a 1/2 bed furnished flat with beautiful sea and mountain views for around £300-£350 per month, or you can BUY one fully sexed up for under £50k (quite often see those in need of refurb coming to market around £20k) and can commute in around 80 minutes to Glasgow centre by ferry and train for an annual season ticket price of £1,603 (or £133 per month). En route you are passing through loads of other high employment areas too depending on your 'trade' - Greenock, Port Glasgow, Paisley, Glasgow Airport, Braehead. Another 20-30 minutes gets you to Stirling or Edinburgh.

We live in a lovely seaside town with a population of less than 5,000. One decent sized supermarkets and the full range of high street independents - 2 butchers, fishmonger, 2 bakeries, fruit & veg shop and loads more besides. We have a small cinema showing current releases. We have a purpose built theatre and leisure centre. We have a small hospital with A&E and helipad in case it's something serious and the climate/temperatures are very similar to Devon & Cornwall. The local health centre guarantees a same-day GP appointment if you call before mid-day. Crime is almost non-existent, mostly of a petty nature and predominantly in the summer months when we have mainland 'visitors'. Everyone you meet smiles at you and bids you good morning. People genuinely look out for one another and everyone knows everyone else.

Glasgow and Edinburgh are superb substitutes for the West End, but if you really must go to the big smoke you can train there in 4.5 hours or fly in just over an hour using a selection of low cost carriers.

So why on earth people struggle to live in the South East is completely beyond me! London is NOT the be-all and end-all. Broaden your horizons people!!

Sounds like Utopia. :) Western isles?
 

mh123

Active Member
Sounds like Utopia. :) Western isles?

Nope - nowhere that remote (although before moving here I wouldn't have objected, but now I am here nothing will shift me) - Bute.

Property for Sale in Rothesay - Buy Properties in Rothesay - Zoopla

Five years ago I was living in the south east, working stupid hours in a well paid job and still only just making ends meet with a silly mortgage on a fairly average property.

So I sold up, took the equity that we'd built up over 10 years and bought a huge great Victorian house on the seafront in a quiet part of town outright, with enough change to give it a really good refurb. Now I'm working fewer hours in a similar job and with no mortgage and lower cost of living generally I wish I'd done it much sooner...
 
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IronGiant

Moderator
I was going to guess Arran :)
 

busterbenny2001

Distinguished Member
Anecdote:

My son moved out last year and they (he and his girl friend) are paying £1000 a month to rent a flat nearby. I have no idea how they can afford it as they are both working in retail. :(

It's a one bedroom flat...
That is crazy I rent out a 4 bedroom detached bungalow in half acre of garden Apple trees greenhouse veg beds, I get £1000 a month :)
 

Trollslayer

Distinguished Member
What does his jumper have to do with it? :clown:
 

phil t

Well-known Member
But in certain deprived areas with no proper industry or high paying jobs what you've posted is a pipe dream for many
About 15 years into my time, I met three brothers from a small village in Cornwall.
All three of them decided that in order for them to succeed in life, that they would have to leave their beloved home town.
So as below:-
So why on earth people struggle to live in the South East is completely beyond me! London is NOT the be-all and end-all. Broaden your horizons people!!
I know life can be hard, money tight and house prices high. I don't deny that.
But I also know, that for the majority and there will always be exceptions, there are choices.
 

Cameron583

Well-known Member
Just waiting on estate agents to finalise the deposit. They're querying it with the landlord because there were 2 lampshades missing from when I moved in...

Obviously ignoring the fact that I had to buy lightbulbs when I moved in and clean the place, and paint one of the rooms.

I read the report too - apparently it was cleaned to a good domestic standard. I've cleaned a lot of houses in my lifetime, and clean significantly better than any of the companies I've hired (I.e. the property Im living in now - I watched them clean). Yet because I don't have a website etc, it's not considered professional :/ Spent a good full day cleaning each room, fully shampooing carpets etc

Also, the estate agents provided mine and my girlfriend's details to another estate agents without our consent - we started getting spammed with calls asking to collect a set of keys because they had lost theirs...

Bonkers how disorganised and terrible they are.
 

mikeysthoughts

Well-known Member
Just waiting on estate agents to finalise the deposit. They're querying it with the landlord because there were 2 lampshades missing from when I moved in...

Obviously ignoring the fact that I had to buy lightbulbs when I moved in and clean the place, and paint one of the rooms.

I read the report too - apparently it was cleaned to a good domestic standard. I've cleaned a lot of houses in my lifetime, and clean significantly better than any of the companies I've hired (I.e. the property Im living in now - I watched them clean). Yet because I don't have a website etc, it's not considered professional :/ Spent a good full day cleaning each room, fully shampooing carpets etc

Also, the estate agents provided mine and my girlfriend's details to another estate agents without our consent - we started getting spammed with calls asking to collect a set of keys because they had lost theirs...

Bonkers how disorganised and terrible they are.
Report that to the info commissioner. Not acceptable.

I absolutely detest estate agents, having been forced to use three in the past 4 months.
 

logiclee

Well-known Member
Whether rental properties are are in private landlord, housing association or council control it doesn't change the amount of properties available.
The problem I have is those with multiple properties that are not occupied.

The holiday home issue for the likes of Cornwall is typical. Unfortunately many MP's have holiday homes so nothing with change there.

We stop in Cornwall often and we once planned to retire there. But once the flights started from London the market changed and the market shifted to holiday homes, flats and surf pods. The prices rocketed and the properties are empty most of the year.
 

Trollslayer

Distinguished Member
Also, the estate agents provided mine and my girlfriend's details to another estate agents without our consent - we started getting spammed with calls asking to collect a set of keys because they had lost theirs...
That is a direct breach of the GDPR, contact the ICO and let the chips fall where they may.
 

Cameron583

Well-known Member
That is a direct breach of the GDPR, contact the ICO and let the chips fall where they may.

I've had to give them a month to reply to written communication asking why it happened, but then I'll definitely be going down that route.

Also, don't want to irritate them before I get my deposit back, but once I do, I'll make sure they're aware how peed off I am :)
 

Trollslayer

Distinguished Member
An agent didn't return my deposit so after a couple of months I contacted the Deposit Protection service and got it back from them with no bother.
 

Cameron583

Well-known Member
So I’ve just had a call from the estate agents.

Landlord is contesting the deposit based on 5 lampshades that were missing (2 were broken and the and 2 broken toilet seats, both of which were broken when I moved in...

I can’t effing believe it

I don’t really even know what to do.

Recap:

6 months paid upfront
I’ve never had a refund for one of the rooms that was painted (to put it back in the condition it should have been)
He received the entire £1600 deposit from the last tenants and did nothing with the money

This is exactly why I hate renting.
 
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Surely that was noted against the inventory when you moved in? If so the landlord can’t disagree. Likewise unless you had an agreement in place prior to doing the work it doesn’t count for anything. It could I believe be even worse and you could be requested to restore the improvements to their previous condition.
Contracts are your friend when there is a dispute.
 

MrSossidge

Distinguished Member
So I’ve just had a call from the estate agents.

Landlord is contesting the deposit based on 5 lampshades that were missing (2 were broken and the and 2 broken toilet seats, both of which were broken when I moved in...

I can’t effing believe it

I don’t really even know what to do.

Recap:

6 months paid upfront
I’ve never had a refund for one of the rooms that was painted (to put it back in the condition it should have been)
He received the entire £1600 deposit from the last tenants and did nothing with the money

This is exactly why I hate renting.
When did you move in?
 

Cameron583

Well-known Member
When did you move in?

September 2018

Surely that was noted against the inventory when you moved in? If so the landlord can’t disagree. Likewise unless you had an agreement in place prior to doing the work it doesn’t count for anything. It could I believe be even worse and you could be requested to restore the improvements to their previous condition.
Contracts are your friend when there is a dispute.

The lampshades were in the tenancy, so I know I have no recall, but it's just crazy that a landlord can claim for something he's never paid for. I mean, £100 for 5 lampshades?...

I have all the emails confirming that the painting would be paid for. The 2nd bedroom was pictured as a magnolia online, but when I got there it was glitter-pink (literally glitter). We were using this room as the office, so I left the furniture down, but as the months rolled on, I spoke to the estate agents and said I'll paint it but you fund the paint; this was agreed. I know for a fact he was quoted about £400 to do the room, as it needed 5 coats, but I bought the paint and did it myself, even going as far to take off radiators and light switches to get a really good quality, back to factory finish. Looked immaculate.

One of the bathrooms also needed doing and the guy that did it did it in a few hours (using a paint dryer - like a hair dryer), spilt paint everywhere, didn't cut in well at all and even missed a few bits.

The landlord is so awful, that I received a call from the owner of the estate agents I deal with to say that they're ceasing to trade with him due to numerous issues.

Crazy how he'll likely walk away from this with £150 in his pocket...
 

IronGiant

Moderator
Sounds like you might have got off lightly, :eek:
 

Hampy1972

Distinguished Member
I am in the same boat, want to buy but been renting since my divorce, recently I visited Telford and saw that a decent 3-bed house was like 75k ( I was thinking wow that is cheap) but of course there is no work there so you have to travel and I work 50 miles south (100 mile round trip) five days a week. Bonkers.

We live where we do currently between it suits our budget and within our means.
Propetry is of course valued per the location, a flat in London is like 300k and with the same monies you can buy a mansion up north.

You can't win!
Sorry.
 

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