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I call on the gods of 28" widescreen tvs

Discussion in 'TVs' started by JohnnyPanix, Feb 28, 2002.

  1. JohnnyPanix

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    Hey,

    OK, I know many people ask similar questions, and lots of people have different opinions, it's all a matter of personal taste, blah blah, and I'm sorry to do this again,

    but....

    I am going insane trying to correlate online tv magazine reviews, opinions from this fourm, and what i can afford from empire direct, unbeatable or techtronics.

    I need some advice, seriously.

    I want to buy a 28" Widescreen Flat TV. It needs NICAM at least, at least one RGB scart, and no serious problems, Oh, and i need to be able to get hold of it for less than £600. Yes, I'm serious. NO to a larger screen, NO to a curved screen, and NO to more money.

    I don't care what brand, look, or even age of model to be honest.

    Please please please leave your messages, stating which ones you know to be good and which bad.

    I'm becoming overwhelmed by the whole thing now. I thought I'd found good models (panny pl1, etc.) only to find out that everyone says they are terrible, despite good reviews.
     
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    Its all a case of luck I suppose.
    The only TV I can think of and that has less/almost no problems is the JVC 28WFT1. Can be bought for just under £500.
    The only niggles I've heard about are geometry can be off slightly and the audio out is absolutely awful (2 phonos to amp)
    This TV seems to have the least amount of complaints. Sorry I can't help with the perfect TV for under £600 but I don't think you will really find one without some sort of problem however minor.
     
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    my sony KV28WS2U was faultless, geometry wise etc.....well until some of the chips went faulty, but it is about 3 years old, and been moved about a bit.....still waiting for Sony to get their finger out of their a*se and repair it...!
     
  4. JohnnyPanix

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    Thank you Thank you to the two who have offered opinions already, they are gratefully recieved.

    Anyone else?

    The JVC mentioned is on my list for sure, but I'd not heard about awful audio out? Anyone know about the Toshiba 28Z07B or the Hitachi C28WF532N?
     
  5. John Jennings

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    I'd recommend the JVC too. The sound's not really awful, it's just a bit 'ordinary'. I have heard about the geometry problems (bending in top left IIRC), but it's fixable by an engineer.

    (If flat screen wasn't an issue I'd really recommend the Philips 28PW6006. No problems anywhere, even geometry is about as perfect as you'll ever get on a CRT. However, it's got an Ultra Flat (ie very nearly flat) rather than a Real Flat screen. Very nice telly, and very well reviewed).

    John
     
  6. Ian J

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    The geometry on the JVC is poor in 4:3 mode only. The panoramic zoom is very good for everyday viewing of most non widescreen TV programmes and so this problem doesn't worry me.

    The audio out is allso not very good but so as not to confuse newbies this refers to the audio available at the phono outputs and not to the general sound through the TV's own speakers.

    I have my Digibox and VCR audio outputs directly into my amp so the poor outputs on the TV are not a problem.
     
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    I´d go for the JVC as well. Apart from the 4.3 geometry and the naff sound from the phono outputs, as Ian J said, its a cracking tv.
     
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    Strictly the geometry's the same in all modes. The problem is just most noticeable in 4:3 as you can actually see the edge of the screen bowing out into the surrounding area.

    The screen will still bow out in widescreen modes, it's just that the problem is made less obvious by the overscan (so the edges of the image are actually offscreen). You can still see the problem as anything displaying vertical lines will bend a bit when it gets near the part of the screen where the problem is. I guess it just depends how picky you are. :clown:
     
  9. JohnnyPanix

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    Thanks guys this is probing really helpful, the best response I've had.

    John J, you mentioned that it is fixable by an engineer? The JVC bowing I mean. Is there an engineer mode in terms of menus that would give me control?

    Also, how awful is the sound? I have my VCR & DVD currently going through my Cambridge Audio A5 hi-fi amp with some old Wharfdale 705's. So it wouldn't bother me too much.

    Anyone know anything about the Hitachi I mentioned?
     
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    Yes there is, but don't know the access codes I'm afraid


    I remember it reviewed very well, but that usually counts for little IMO (magazines can easily be 'influenced' by freebies and lunches, and thus 'overlook' problems with sets).
     
  11. JohnnyPanix

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    OK, this is great, really, a BIG help. So... I have these TV's flying around in my little head:

    JVC 28WFT1 - AV Forums Thread Recommendation - £464.98 inc VAT

    TOSHIBA 28Z07B - Flatscreen Pro Logic - £566.53 inc VAT

    Hitachi C28WF532N - Nicam (Virtual DPL) - £479.98 inc VAT

    Would love to hear from some people who've got or are familiar with both the Toshiba and the Hitachi.

    But I'm close now, I can feel it.

    IT WILL BE MINE!!!!!!

    HA HA HA HA!!!!
    :D
     
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    i and mute buttons together

    It is the sound through the audio outputs that is odd. It seems like a stereo signal is sent to both fronts and rears resulting in all sorts of odd echoes.

    If like me, you divert the sound to an amp it is not a problem
     
  13. JohnnyPanix

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    Hey thanks Ian J,

    if I get the JVC that'll be handy indeed.

    Strange problem with the audio. Anyone have any further info on that?

    Or on the other two tv's mentioned earlier?
     
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    Hi,

    You seem in the same boat as me!!!

    I was going for the pl1 until I read about its problems.

    My first choice was going to be the Hitachi 530N because I reckon it looks the dogs.
    I was then going to get the PL1.
    Then I was going for a philips 6515 or something.

    I then went to look in Comet and noticed a JVC 100EKS which seemed to have a better picture than the others in the price range, although the feed reception looked terrible. It is surprising that a shop trying to sell TVs can't get better reception!!!

    Anyway, I am 90% there on buying the Hitachi after I have seen a couple of good write ups on this forum.
    Enter C28WF530N in the search...


    :)
     
  15. Stuart Brooks

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    Just another one to throw into the ring, South Coast Electronics sceuk.co.uk (no www) are doing a special on the Grundig Xentia MFW70-490/8, £499 for a 100Hz True Flat Screen model, including futuristic stand. the 32" version has got good reviews on the main review sites. Has NICAM and Virtual Dolby

    Stuart
     
  16. JohnnyPanix

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    Is it just snobbery and ignorance on my part that i haven't even bothered considering makes like Grundig?

    Can the set mentioned rival any of the toshiba/hitachi/jvc tvs mentioned earlier?
     
  17. JohnnyPanix

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    Oh! And I read in another post that the JVC sets have a few other problems too.

    moire (the pincushion effect) - how bad is this? is it a fault, or a 'feature'?

    terrible 4:3 geometry - well, i hope to fix that with the service menu

    noticable flicker on NTSC DVDs, but only in one corner - huh? i have a lot of region 1 discs, so this could scupper the deal!

    Any opinions on these problems?
     
  18. Stuart Brooks

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    For some user views of the Grundig see the links below. Across Europe Grundig is seen as a high-end brand, here in the UK their range is skewed more downmarket, but the Xentia is one of their more upmarket models. The set normally retails at £850+, had I not recently bought their IDTV model I would have jumped at the Xentia at these low prices.

    Stuart

    http://www.avforums.com/frame.html?...thread.php?s=&threadid=29734&highlight=xentia

    http://www.avforums.com/frame.html?...php?s=&threadid=29609&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
     

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