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Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by Gussie, Oct 21, 2005.

  1. Gussie

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    So, I now see MAW flogging the 50PHD8 sourced from Panasonic Germany at some £600 less than the current UK price.

    After being berated by most of our "dealer" friends in this little community - this proves that at least one of them is admitting to the undoubted PHD8 rip-off that Panasonic UK is foisting upon us!

    Current best online German pricing for 42PHD8 exc del is 2399 Euro = £1700
    Current best online German pricing for 50PHD8 exc del is 3599 Euro = £2500

    Why can't Panasonic UK match the now much lower pricing in places like Germany?

    Ducking for cover .... :devil:

    Gussie :)
     
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    Shame shipping is relatively expensive, there's no way £2500 is achievable here. What does it matter if Panny UK are expensive anyway, it's what the EC is for. If you want to be ripped off, buy a PHD on the net, it'll be a EU import for hardly any less. That's profiteering.
     
  3. Gussie

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    Yes it is and Panasonic UK should be given a thoroughly good kicking.

    In this day and age, within the EU, when one of their products can cost £1000 less in another EU country something is terribly wrong!

    Gussie :)
     
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    UK is the UK and Europe is Europe, why on earth do you think they should match UK prices or vise verser? The USA prices are also diffrent as are asia's.
    The last i was aware we still used the 'Pound' and not the 'Euro'.

    Will.
     
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    Everyone has their pet hates, Rover. This is Gussie's. Mine are pretty well known too! I think his point is valid, even if not entirely in the right. We all wonder where the extra money goes, the fact is that the screens are identical in every way, except the power lead. I buy power leads for 50p each, so the extra cost is not there!
     
  6. Rahmorak

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    The issue with this is the amount difference between US and UK.

    Most Plasmas we can expect to pay 50-70% more (incl. previous gen Panny's/Viera), the Panny PHD8 was/is over 100% more. Sorry but like Gussie I find that appalling and Panny UK should be ashamed.

    Rahmo
     
  7. Gussie

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    I have to admit the UK vs US is one thing that has some justification - all to do with sales volume and Panasonic US's purchasing power.

    BUT we are now seeing a growing gap between the UK and places like Germany - with similar sales volumes.

    It seems that on a 50PHD8, that UK power lead is costing us £1000 !

    Panasonic UK must be laughing themselves silly and some the Panasonic operations in Europe must be green with envy at the way Panasonic UK is operating.

    And yet, some people, as we have seen, will actually defend this situation!

    Gussie :)
     
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    Maybe it has something to do with the high import taxes?
     
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    those are rather silly comparisons!

    the point being made is the price differential between say germany and the uk

    we may still use sterling (although the euro is legal currency in this country)but the IMPORTANT fact is that we are in the EEC - but at least it makes it easy to import without paying any tax/duty :D

    interestingly i have dealt with a us company that is prepared to supply their products through one of their EEC subsiduary companies to avoid paying import duty!
     
  10. Gussie

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    Nope !

    It is all to do with what the market will stand - it is well known that we here in the UK WILL pay up whatever - not so in other more mature markets!

    The point I'm making is that, whilst the gap between the US and UK will probably never be narrowed, that between the UK and Europe will not last much longer and the more people know about this the better.

    By all means feel free to shell out an extra £1000 for a 50PHD8 or an extra £500 for a 42PHD8 here in the UK - it's a free market!

    And Panasonic UK. it seems, are milking it for what it's worth!

    Note that it's just the PHD8 range we are talking about here - the PWD8 is as cheap here as anywhere in Europe.

    Gussie :)
     
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    could you please let me have a link for those prices

    i have a friend whose company does european haulage - a few sets in the back of the lorry - hey presto no delivery charge :D
     
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    I paid (Hong Kong) HKD$30,000 for my 42PV500, which works out to around 2,300 pounds.
    Now after doing a quick search for the same model in the UK i came up with Currys £2,319.75.
    Now being i'm 3 hours away from Japan,and your round the other side of the world and the prices are almost identical, what does that mean?
    Well it could mean many things but i'm off to watch 'monsters inc' on me new panny (that i'v just done a quick DVE on), so i'll ponder on that after the movie.

    Will.
     
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    Anyone tried popping over on the Eurostar and bringing one back yourself ? Any TAX implications on doing it ?
     
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    UK 42PV500s are assembled in the Czech Republic, not Japan, AFAIK. Mine certainly was. Still, good to hear that the prices aren't always cheaper elsewhere...
     
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    bought within the EEC no duty

    i was not joking when i said earlier that my friend could put a few sets in the back of one of his lorries and bring them back to the UK :D
     
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    thanks mate :D

    do you want one out of the back of a lorry :eek:
     
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    how about copying these prices to panny uk and ask for their comments :D
     
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    You can use www.preissuchmaschine.de, which is the German equivalent of pricerunner.co.uk. Even non-German speakers should be able to use it as it is pretty straight forward.
     
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    Thanks for the offer - but I'm biding my time - I really think you'll be seeing those prices soon here in the UK.

    Maybe January 2006 ?

    A £1000 price difference for the 50PHD8 between two EEC countries is unsustainable - something will give eventually!

    Worst case is that the pricing in Europe will go up - but with the economic situation there, I really can't see that happening.

    Panasonic UK will be too ashamed to even reply !

    Gussie :)
     
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    And how exactly is it that they are so much higher for the PHD8 than any other planel/plasma?
     
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    I have said this several times in other threads - MindWares prices are incorrect! They forgot to add German VAT.
    Just try and order one and see what happens.

    I did and their service was utterly terrible;

    1. They gave me the wrong price to begin with (the one still on their webpage).

    2. We then settled for a "reasonable" price, since they had promised me the cheaper price earlier.

    3. They promised that I could pay on delivery. This turned out to be false as well.

    4. They then offered to set up an escrow account and told me it would only take 1-2 days to set up.

    5. I waited more more than 2 weeks - and nothing happened.

    6. Communication has been absolutely terrible! (their English and/or communication skills are not every good)

    7. I finally ditched them and chose a Danish supplier. A bit more expensive but better service - way better!

    So avoid MindWare - they lie about their prices and offer terrible service!
     
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    Try www.screenmaxx.com, they are a very large firm in Frankfurt and are used to dealing with EU exports. Also, their website is available in English. The other one is www.hifi-regler.de.
     
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    Hmmm OK - makes no odds there are many other sources at prices around £200 more for the 50PHD8 and £50 more for the 42PHD8.

    Still hefty price differences on the PHD8 that cannot be rationally explained apart from Panasonic UK's pure greed!

    Gussie :)
     
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    For all of you interested try http://www.technikdirekt.de

    I bought my full AV set from them at bargain prices, and guess what: the transport cost amounted to eur 70, or roughly GBP 50. Everything arived in pristine order and I had an excellent and prompt service.
     
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    Davsdu

    Could it be that they added the Danish 25% VAT in stead of 16% when they found out where you live? If they have a turnover to Denmark above a certain value they have to add the Danish VAT, not the German VAT.
    Regarding payment on delivery, I think it is often so, that German companies do not ship outside Germany with cash on delivery, but within Germany they do.
     
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    You think the UK price is bad.. the 50" PHD8 sell's for under $3000,- in the US. :suicide:
     
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    isnt that like £1700 and therefore a good price??? :eek:
     

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