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Hurricane Katrina

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Gary D, Sep 1, 2005.

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  1. Gary D

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    Yet again the best website in the world comes up trumps.

    i really wouldn't want to be there - armed gangs of looters robbing food from OAP homes :eek:

    I wonder if the Yanks will start to believe in climate change now?

    BBC


    sometimes you just have to thank your lucky stars this story broke my heart when i saw it:

    Witnesses have been speaking of scenes of devastation after Hurricane Katrina tore through the US Gulf coast - in one case sweeping away a woman sheltering with her husband at their family home.


    One of the worst affected areas appears to be Mississippi's coastal town of Biloxi, where some 30 people were reported to have died at a beachfront apartment complex.

    Biloxi resident Harvey Jackson said his wife, Tonette, was missing after surging waters hit their house.

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    "The house just split in half. We got up the roof and the water came and just opened up, divided," still visibly shaken Mr Jackson told America's ABC television.

    "My wife, I can't find her body, she gone."

    "I held her hand tight as I could and she told me 'you can't hold me'. She said, 'take care of the kids and the grandkids'," Mr Jackson said. "We have nowhere to go. I'm lost, that's all I had, that's all I had. I don't know what I'm going to do."

    christ all we have to moan about are deleted posts :rolleyes: there but for the grace of God and all that.


    Gary
     
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    No,they will argue it's all the more reason for house sizes SUV's.
     
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    thats was my thoughts exactly...since it's happened there, maybe they'll do something, but somehow I doubt it...

    I fins it hard to feel sorry for them especially compared to when it happens to poorer nations.
     
  4. Gary D

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    the coverage on the BB site is fantastic the idea of climate change has been covered:

    New York Times:
    Global warming?


    It demanded to know why Congress had been in the process of cutting the area's flood protection budget. "Complacency will no longer suffice, especially if experts are right in warning that global warming may increase the intensity of future hurricanes. But since this administration won't acknowledge that global warming exists, the chances of leadership seem minimal," it said.

    Gob smacking pictures on the washington post site
    Gary
     
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    It really is a shame for those people who have lost their lives. My wife recorded Channel 4 news last night about the hurricane. A floating casino (Huge Liner) had been moved 2 MILES and crashed into a Holiday Inn that had 20 double height appartments next to each other.......only 3 remained.

    80% of New Orleans under water.

    One thing that got me though is that the army hasn't got enough troops to help because they are in Iraq. Kinda tells you something Mr Bush.

    What got me though was that some Americans are saying it's their Tsunami. No it's not. 100 people may have sadly lost their lives, but that's nothing compared to the 1,000s from the Tsunami.

    Richie.
     
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    The phrase "you reap what you sew" springs to mind over this hurricane. ;)
     
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    Although I’am sure you agree the people who are suffering there are hardly united states foreign policy setters.

    On a lighter note I just clicked on some of the archive images in the gallery from the washington post site and the advertisement you get before accessing the images seems a bit in appropiate see below :D
     

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    sorry, but I am disgusted by the majority of posts here and the sentiments of the posters.

    "they deserve it ...or its because of Iraq.....or because their government doesn't accept global warming !?"

    sorry but the tone of this thread is wrong.
    I for one feel very sorry for the innocent people killed or their lives destroyed by such a tragedy, be they or American or Asian victims of the recent sunami, I don't care about the politics or point scoring. The posts above are a disgrace.
     
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    This is one of the poorest parts of the USA. There are hundreds, possibly thousands dead. Hundreds of thousands of people have lost their homes and everything they own... there is the real possibility now of mass disease... and you find it hard to feel sorry for them... :eek: :confused:

    Some of the sentiments expressed in this thread are truly appauling :thumbsdow
     
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    Sorry which thread are you reading again? Because you havent been reading this one very well!
     
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    You cannot blame the vast majority of the Americans for their idiot leader. Should we punish African states during droughts because of their despot leaders - I think not. When the appeals are put out for Africa and again for the tsunami victims I don't think we paid too much thought to the style of leadership and then blamed global warming. We just got on with doing what we could to help. Shame on you guys!
     
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    I hate to put this sort of spin on things as I hate to think it can happen. But we were talking at work today and somebody was saying how the states involved here have historically some of the worst records for the treatment of the black population. Is the American policy towards states with high black populations, not to invest as much money in such basics as flood measures (considering stats could guarantee one of these would hit that coast fairly soon). Would a disaster this big happen in some of the north eastern or western states? Most of us doubt it. :confused:
     
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    Hmm..In all reality.... all most of us actually did was sat around and talked a lot.

    not that much of a difference really... :(


    I suppose If there's any 'good' to come from all this, maybe the US leadership will finally have to face up to a few home truths now...

    Climate change is real (even in America)
    Poverty is real (even in America)

    some awful pics on that washington post site.... the place is utterly devastated..... :(
     
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    this was a one-off, I don't see how it could have been predicted or prevented. They have built up the defences for New Orleans over the years and they seemed to have been enough, till now, black and white have suffered here.

    Stealthier, I think you need to check the first few posts again, because people did make negative comments about 'people deserving this ie 'reaping what you sew', comments about SUV's and rejection of global warming, and bringing Iraq into it, suggesting more troops would have made a difference etc....
    i respect fellow posters who have since shared my feelings that these comments were misplaced.
     
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    They have had a catagory 5 for hurricanes for a long time and know what that involves, this ended up a high level catagory 4 when it hit. Why are defenses not capable of withstanding a 5? They have the technology to build such a system. They just seem unwilling to spend the cash.

    In one of the BBC artcles it mentions:

    The New Orleans Times-Picayune, its printing presses under water, and operating online only, said: "No-one can say they didn't see it coming.

    "Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."
     
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    With regards seb, I was merely paraphrasing what the channel 4 news item said, that there wasn't enough troops to help with the aftermath because they were in Iraq. This isn't a comment that I have made myself. I did add the "Kinda tells you something Mr Bush" because it does....while he's out there in other countries trying to right the wrongs, he's neglecting his own country. That's all I was saying, wasn't bringing in the Iraq war and that a bomb shell that landed in the Gulf of Iraq caused a hurricane in the US !!
     
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    mrtbag, its fair to ask questions, but surely logic says that they have had force 5 before and the defences stood up, the fact that they didn't this time, just means that this was an unfortunate series of events. The first of such a tragedy implies that no one forsaw it....surely? I don't see any conspiracy here...

    richjthorpe, I still believe that political comments shouldn't have been the overriding view here, which the first posts were in almost the entirety. i don't think the americans need our money or support but they do deserve our unconditional sympathy.
     
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    A colleague of mine is claiming that they knowingly breached the levee near a residential area in an attempt to prevent if from blowing and flooding the tourist areas :eek: Shocking!

    He has had this info from a family member who lives in new orleans I havent been able to find any evidence in the media as yet to support this so dont take it as gospel.

    Seb while I agree that I maybe wouldnt have posted some of the thing that have been said, I would much rather know peoples real feelings rather than sugar coated responses. Iam not a member of the anti USA brigade personally but I understand why alot of people are angry with them. :)
    I say speak whats on your mind there is far to much censorship in this world
     
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    I never mentioned a conspiracy.

    The last '5' to hit the coast there was Camille in 1969 (killed 250).

    35 Years later and we are not at a stage to offer better protection?

    Look at this interview:

    http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/083005cccawwlunwatering.45718845.html

    These questions:

    That speaks volumes to me.
     
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    but the levees didn't fail in 1969 in a force 5, so why should they have expected that they would have failed in the future?

    sometimes accidents are just accidents.


    wow, a cunning plan...if only water didn't find its own level !! meaning water would not have stopped at the residential areas..... damn those laws of physics ! another conspiracy theory bites the dust.
     
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    The current levees and flood walls were built after 69!!

    The sea level, and that of the Mississipi and Lake Pontchartrain were not as high back then.

    Please don't get me wrong, I know hindsight is a great thing. The facts are, as the years have gone on, the hurricanes have got worse and more regular, but the authorities seemed to have had an 'it won't happen here attitude'.

    If people do not look back and analyse what mistakes were made we will never learn. You can't just right these things of as being unlucky, and a one off. This sort of thing WILL happen again. I'd bet in the next 5 years too. Will they be prepared? Probably not.
     
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    ....and sympathy is what they have as I said in my first post. I'm not taking anything away from the residents of New Orleans, I really feel for them, it must be awful to be in that situation. The person I haven't got sympathy for is the President of the US. He should have made sure that enough help was there as quickly as possible. That didn't happen and as a result looting is rife.
     
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    agreed, but then so did the countries of the Indian Ocean destroyed by the Snunami.
    There are many other possible natural disasters due but not fully prepared for ie Yellowstone Supervolcano, Vesuvius, Tenerife sunami...we can't prevent every natural disaster, it seems to me New Orleans did everything reasonable given past history of the levees holding.
     
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    These arguments always go around in circles. In short, how much have you donated to any of these disasters? I donated a lot of my income to the Tsunami appeal, and felt truely awful about that incident.

    In these areas hit by the hurricane, the people had ample warning to get out of their towns, and full well knew that they live 4 metres below sea level.

    I accept that it may sound appauling not to care about americans, but I just can't bring myself to care about them considering the circumstances and their way of life.
     
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    Games - normal service has been resumed :D

    i believe that the majority that stayed behind were too poor to leave - what would you suggest they do?

    They are humans first and american second.

    but i've argued enough today - i feel very sorry for them.

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    makin it worse.....
     
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    They could have walked, caught the bus, anything.

    If I was in New Orleans a couple of days before I would have left. I'm sure the police could have given them a lift to a shelter somewhere.
     
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    Games Guru - "This is the logic police - put the spade down and stop digging the hole!!!"

    So what of the elderly, the children, the sick, the mental ill etc etc what of those who were scaried to leave there belongings behind? i hope that in no part of your life you need the help or the compassion of others. i think you should have a look around the web and read some of the stories. i find you lack of compassion for other humans to be breathtakingly sad.

    i love the brush you use - just tar everybody with it - laughable.


    EDIT: how far do you think they can walk - people are currently being bus'ed 350 miles - how far can you walk in 2 days? (bearing in mind you are young and fit and not walking in 120 degree heat and not trying to carry your entire life on your back and your kids etc etc.) could you walk to sheffield from your house in that time? Thats about 350 miles from Devon.

    The follies of youth

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    Yeah maybe it was too strong. I just get really wound up by them. "Using" 55% of the worlds energy, blatant disregard for the environment, Iraq, Afghanistan, lack of interest/funding in the 3rd world, etc, etc.

    Maybe what I meant was that I find it difficult to empathise with the americans.
     
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